Proof? Lol. The proof is in the definition. If you don't understand the basic concepts of what you are talking about than what are you even doing discussing it? Go educate yourself.There's no proof of this. — boethius
You still dont get it. Libertarians arent concerened with telling others how to live. They only rule is "Do as you will but dont tread on me". — Harry Hindu
Proof? Lol. The proof is in the definition. — Harry Hindu
They are still free to try and tread on me, but then can they handle the consequences of their actions? This is basic human psychology and natural behavior that all organisms engage in. Invading ones territory will illicit a response from the organism whose territory you're invading. Wil you come out unscathed? Will it be worth it? These are questions reasonable people would ask themselves. Reasonable people who don't rely on someone else to tell them how to live their life. Some people are weak and look to others to define them and tell them how they should live. That isn't me. If that's you then thats good for you, not me.Put that's telling people how to live. You're telling them not to tread on you. — boethius
They are still free ro try and tread on me, but then can they handle the consequences of their actions? This is basic human psychology and natural behavior that all organisms engage in. Invading ones territory will illicit a response from the organisms territory you're invading. Wil you come out unscathed? Will it be worth it? — Harry Hindu
The staff in the care home are an issue, they could be lumped into the group of healthcare workers. They work in a healthcare community, or a hospital. It is imperative that such communities don't get infected because it is highly disruptive*.Everybody who goes to hospice is about to die. But I take your point. A sudden outbreak in a community where no one has immunity yet could briefly overwhelm the system. So the cancellations of large gatherings makes sense.
The staff in the care home are an issue, they could be lumped into the group of healthcare workers. They work in a healthcare community, or a hospital. It is imperative that such communities don't get infected because it is highly disruptive*. — Punshhh
an example of disruption occurred in a hospital near me the other day. There was a scare that a patient with a persistent cough had the virus, he was tasted and found to be clear, but in the meantime rumours spread far and wide that there was an infected person in there. This resulted in healthcare workers, cleaners and maintenance staff not going in to work. — Punshhh
Currently .02% of the world is infected with the coronavirus (169,387 / 7,771,074,926). The percentage of worldwide deaths rounds to 0.00% (6,513), but if you take it out enough decimal points you will eventually see some evidence of it.
That leaves 99.98 % of the population uninfected and about 100% of us not killed by this epidemic. — Hanover
Evidence we have at the moment is letting it grow out of control would lead to about 100 millions deaths. — boethius
272 infections, no deaths yet reported. — ssu
Those at risk of death can take whatever precaution they need to. The average person is just going to get flu like symptoms or less. It's a disproportionate shotgun response, showing how panic and fear of any risk leads to a terrible result. — Hanover
Socialists can only be authoritarian as they think they know what is "good" for everyone, and want to impose their morality on everyone else. It really is no different than a religion.
It's been estimated that infections are about 20-30 times more. No one has any idea what it is now.This number may seem low to you, but the number of infected is some multiple of the current number of diagnosed cases. — boethius
Actually there is only one elderly corona-virus patient in intensive care.If the trend elsewhere is reoccurring in Finland, then there's about 20 to 40 people in critical care, or will enter critical care shortly, among this group. — boethius
Everybody has accepted the fact that Finland is simply lagging behind Sweden and Norway. The measures now taken are to curb the height of the epidemic. But they are accepting that the country is in the epidemic phase. Anyway, interesting to see what the effects are.Because infections lag behind cases, and grow exponentially without extreme measures, this 272 number has already doubled one or several times in terms of people infected. At this stage, it depends on a lot of factors, so we'll only know later if it's more or less compared to other countries that are further along. But, it's already enough critical care patience "in the pipe" to saturate quality care capacity for these symptoms. — boethius
The restrictions and voluntary cancellations of meetings started last week and people started to change their behavior basically last weekend. The weekend before that things were normal.Keep in mind, once restrictions are implemented, they are not instant in reducing infections; there is an initial period of society "getting into it". So not only are there doubling times already "out there" but there is probably at least another doubling time that is unavoidable while society reconfigures for quarantine. — boethius
Now my country is going to a lock down until 13th of April. Schools closed, every over 70-year old person will be quarantined. Meetings of over 10 person will be forbidden. State of emergency and emergency laws are introduced tomorrow. Government will spend 5 billion euros to help the economy (GDP 290 bn euros). — ssu
It's been estimated that infections are about 20-30 times more. No one has any idea what it is now. — ssu
Actually there is one elderly corona-virus patient in intensive care. — ssu
After tomorrow, I have to say that I'm not living anymore in an ordinary Western Republic as the emergency laws take hold (let's see what they come with) and the ordinary individual liberties aren't anymore. — ssu
But on the positive side, I have two happy children that at least now are excited that there's no school and they can sleep late. Let's see what their attitude is after one month of home schooling. — ssu
I'd suspect this is just a thing of statistical variance. As all known infections here have or can be traced to abroad, it's likely that the vast majority of the victims are in good health (as very weak old people don't travel). It can easily change especially if an elderly home gets the virus etc. I'm just thinking of my frail 80-year old father who is living alone at home. He is visited twice daily by health care personnel, so I'm just wondering how large that group of people running there at his home is. Talk about a quarantine. But now when he goes to the hospital for treatment, every time a single room.But there's no reason to believe it won't approach fairly closely the global average. It is possible by some genetic quirk that protects Fins, but essentially zero reason to predict that. — boethius
Oh I put the words like that just to get NOS4A2 to tell us "See, I told you so!"I don't think this is quite fair. It's certainly not an ordinary circumstance, but personal liberties are always relative some standard of the public good — boethius
The're interchangeable around hear. The're all heading in the same direction and the same point about the staff holds.
Yes, I'm British, I don't see the relevance though? — Punshhh
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