Nearly one and a half century ago, Nietzsche noticed the decline of old values. He claim 'god is dead', and he believe that we must find new values in order to survive nihilism. However, more than one century has passed, and few satisfying new values are established. Many of us choose to go back to those old religions, not because they are convinced, but because they have no other choice. Nihilism is growing, and it looks unstoppable.
A major reason for this is that our scholars have surrendered to nihilism. Although they should have fought against nihilism by renewing and protecting old values or establishing new ones, they are busy deconstructing old values, which makes nihilism even stronger. Perhaps they don't have the courage and wisdom to fight nihilism, so they are raising while flag. Perhaps deconstructing old values sounds safer, more political correct, and provides more money and fame to them. We should not rely on scholars anymore. Free thinkers should stand up and establish their own values. By 'free thinkers', I'm not talking about those madman and political activists who think to prove they are right, but those who really want to achieve internal well-being and make sense of their lives.
Am I right? Is it true that most scholars are busy destroying values instead of protecting or creating values? Are they responsible for the spread of nihilism? — Rystiya
Am I right? Is it true that most scholars are busy destroying values instead of protecting or creating values? Are they responsible for the spread of nihilism? — Rystiya
Is nihilism growing or is it just deeply entrenched? I'm not sure how I would tell the difference.Nearly one and a half century ago, Nietzsche noticed the decline of old values. He claim 'god is dead', and he believe that we must find new values in order to survive nihilism. However, more than one century has passed, and few satisfying new values are established. Many of us choose to go back to those old religions, not because they are convinced, but because they have no other choice. Nihilism is growing, and it looks unstoppable. — Rystiya
This confusion of liberalism with fideism, or equivalently of criticism with cynicism, and likewise of phenomenalism with nihilism, or equivalently of objectivism with transcendentalism, leads many people, I suspect, to see the only available options as a transcendent fideistic view, or else a cynical nihilistic view. The differentiation of those superficial similarities and so the opening up of possibilities besides those two extremes is the key insight at the core of my entire general philosophy, embracing objectivism without transcendentalism, criticism without cynicism, liberalism without fideism, and phenomenalism without nihilism. — The Codex Quaerentis: Commensurablism
... despair that, despite the entirety of human knowledge, there isn't any (decideable, in/defeasible) Reason at all for any - let alone every - thing
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The ancients reflected on their wonder in order to discern whatever lay beyond (or behind) it all that wonder seemed, they had imagined, pointed to and which they had speculated was/is the ordering principle (logos) of whatever there is (physis). In effect, Classical philosophers strove to have their contemplative cake and eat it too: disenchanting the enchanted reality they'd found themselves in but only enough to rationally comprehend, or intuitively glimpse, its raison d'être (arche).
But what of contemporary despair? And the philosophies of despair - pro, con & indifferent? And sectarian anti-secular fundamentalisms radicalized by paroxysms of despair? And globally encompassing mega-menageries of hyper-designed popular diversions from despair? (à la 'culture industry' or 'p0m0 condition' or 'oedipal simulacra' or 'ideology of objet petit a' ...)
I'm with Freddy N. & co - nihilism is merely a symptom, or seduction, of decadence. Like Schop's pessimism. Even proletarian alienation. And Dionysian iconoclasm, or 'hermeneutics of suspicion' - just dessicated fruit of decadance. Like punkers, hip-hopsters, new atheists & radicalized suburban jihadis/lone wolf mass-shooters. If survived initially, people tend to 'outgrow' these nihilisms ... and, fatalistically or obliviously, skate the rest of their jaded days across the uneven, cracking, thin ice of despair until. Only Nihilists worry about nihilism, thereby, inadvertantly or not, distracting themselves from ... thinking all the way through the inexorable extinction of thinking. Disenchanted (hyper)chaos can't be 're-enchanted', or put back into 'the enchanted cosmos' tube! — 180 Proof
The ancients reflected on their wonder in order to discern whatever lay beyond (or behind) it all that wonder seemed, they had imagined, pointed to and which they had speculated was/is the ordering principle (logos) of whatever there is (physis). In effect, Classical philosophers strove to have their contemplative cake and eat it too: disenchanting the enchanted reality they'd found themselves in but only enough to rationally comprehend, or intuitively glimpse, its raison d'être (arche). — 180 Proof
The false dichotomy of fideism and nihilism, coupled with the exposed weakness of fideistic (e.g. authoritarian) worldviews, is what's lead to a rise in nihilism, if such a thing has actually occurred. — Pfhorrest
Freddie's diagnosis from The Gay Science to Twilight of the Idols (& The Antichrist). :eyes:what if 'the ancients' did actually realise that, though? And then, culture forgot it, or abandoned it. That would be an account of nihilism, wouldn't it? — Wayfarer
i.e. 'A revaluation of all values' (e.g. eternal return of the same) ... amor fati.I think the challenge of our time is to find an heuristic which enables the ideas and attitudes that were associated with religion and spirituality, without falling back into archaic or anachronistic modes of thought.
Thanks. Yours too.Your ideas are quite interesting. — Rystiya
I suppose I would agree that nihilism is not necessarily a product of cultural or personal decadence. And I'd agree that growth and decay are natural processes.Unlike your idea, I believe nihilism is the result of the uncertain nature of the universe, which removes the foundation of almost all values. It is not the result of decadence, because decadence don’t come into exist for no reason. — Rystiya
I agree that nihilism may pose a threat to the good of humanity and all sentient beings, and that empty slogans and false promises would likely be ineffective, or even counterproductive, responses to that threat.I still think something needs to be done to stop nihilism. Slogans and fake promises no longer works, which is very nice. However, why can’t we build new values upon human nature? Don’t we need to figure out how to overcome our internal weaknesses? — Rystiya
Clearly the feelings and instincts of human animals are not sufficient to make human animals respect each other on every occasion.And yes, I do believe there is goodness in our nature. However we still need something to make sense of our lives. What’s more, I hope our feelings and instincts are not the only thing makes us respect human lives. — Rystiya
I agree it seems most fitting to ground our talk of human values in human nature.I wish to build my value upon human nature. It propose ‘everyone is born to seek meaning’, and it tells people how to overcome their internal weaknesses, so they can pursue the meanings they have defined for themselves. — Rystiya
Am I right? Is it true that most scholars are busy destroying values instead of protecting or creating values? Are they responsible for the spread of nihilism?
— Rystiya
Wouldn't you agree that a house that could be demolished was never a good house to begin with? Wouldn't you agree then, that in destroying a weak, ergo dangerous, house, we would be creating the necessary space to erect a better quality abode for ourselves and our children?
The problem is, not that the values that have been attacked by "scholars" are good, but that there are no good theories to take their place. I would prefer this situation to be due to a lack of trying but it might be the case that no system of values can ever be picture perfect.
Also, I don't want to criticize traditional value systems; firstly because it's no easy task to create them and secondly because they've kept society running more or less smoothly. Perhaps, if feeling compelled to pass a comment, we might say that though we don't question the wisdom of the values themselves, the foundations for them are weak. We should probably keep the values themselves, at least those that seem reasonable to the modern mindset, and focus on finding a good, strong bedrock for them. — TheMadFool
Every house can be demolished.Wouldn't you agree that a house that could be demolished was never a good house to begin with? Wouldn't you agree then, that in destroying a weak, ergo dangerous, house, we would be creating the necessary space to erect a better quality abode for ourselves and our children? — TheMadFool
I would agree it seems our knowledge of the world is never absolutely certain. But the fact that our knowledge of the world is uncertain in this way does not seem to entail that the world is "uncertain" in itself. I'm not even sure how to make sense of a claim that the world is certain or uncertain: I'm inclined to say these terms have no application here. As if we were to ask: Is this stone right-handed or left-handed? — Cabbage Farmer
As I've suggested, I'm not sure that we need to invent new values in order to do that sort of work. I'm not even sure what it might mean to devise new values, as opposed to new ways of speaking about value.
Why do you suppose it's new values that we need for this purpose? Can you give an example of the emergence of a new value in history, a value that is arguably without precedent in human experience when it emerges in history? — Cabbage Farmer
Don't you agree that you already have some values? Why do you do the things you do? How do you account for your own action? What are some of the values you already live by?
Don't you value some things more than other things? Don't you have preferences? Don't you distinguish between things, actions, outcomes that are good and desirable for you and for others, and things, actions, outcomes that are bad and undesirable for you and for others?
Perhaps you also identify yourself as a member of some community or communities of agents, which provides you with a conception of a common good?
How could nihilism take such things away from you? To me it seems they belong to our nature no less than appetite, perception, and action. — Cabbage Farmer
What does it mean to seek meaning or to pursue meaning? And how do we overcome internal weakness to pursue meaning? — Cabbage Farmer
the entire so-called "red people" philosophy which is a minor internet sensation — IvoryBlackBishop
The problem is, not that the values that have been attacked by "scholars" are good, but that there are no good theories to take their place. I would prefer this situation to be due to a lack of trying but it might be the case that no system of values can ever be picture perfect. — TheMadFool
We all know that it is more meaningful to spend time on things like reading or outdoor activities than on playing video games or choosing luxurious clothes. — Rystiya
Well what do you want or need values for? Presumably they are a guide to actions. In which case as the world changes and peoples view of the world also changes their values would need to be continually refined and updated. — A Seagull
.Every house can be demolished.
The fact that a house can be demolished does not make it a "weak house" or a "dangerous house".
The fact that one demolishes a house does not entail that new and better houses are forthcoming in its place.
Sometimes good houses are destroyed for bad reasons and with bad effects. Sometimes good houses are destroyed for both good and bad reasons, sometimes with both good and bad effects.
Sometimes it is in the interest of some people and against the interest of other people for a house to be destroyed. — Cabbage Farmer
Well, some values, once established to be worthy, may need to be preserved for the next generation, no? For example, the value of a life — TheMadFool
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