If you do not believe that anything you say is definitely true, including your assertions about your own beliefs, then how on earth is anyone supposed to have a meaningful conversation with you?Again, I'm not asserting my statements/positions as definitely true. — 83nt0n
There you go again, making an assertion. You need to stop doing that if you want to convince people that you are a genuine skeptic, but I guess you have no way of knowing whether you want to do that. Anyway, I suggest looking up the definition of "axiom."But the axioms that classical deductive logic employs are unsupported. — 83nt0n
Now you are asserting that an assertion is not an assertion--self-defeating, just like I said.Again, this is not an assertion. — 83nt0n
Asserting how it seems is still an assertion.This is how it seems to me. — 83nt0n
See, you just used modus ponens. "If I have nothing else to allow me to hold a conversation, then I have to utilize appearances. I have nothing else to allow me to hold a conversation. Therefore, I have to utilize appearances."I have to utilize appearances, as I have nothing else to allow me to hold a conversation. — 83nt0n
We have exchanged several posts now, all utilizing the English language. Unless you wish to claim that we have been throwing gibberish at each other, clearly you and I both have knowledge of the English language.It could be that someone does have knowledge, but as of yet I haven't found any. — 83nt0n
how on earth is anyone supposed to have a meaningful conversation with you? — aletheist
Anyway, I suggest looking up the definition of "axiom." — aletheist
Now you are asserting that an assertion is not an assertion--self-defeating, just like I said. — aletheist
See, you just used modus ponens. "If I have nothing else to allow me to hold a conversation, then I have to utilize appearances. I have nothing else to allow me to hold a conversation. Therefore, I have to utilize appearances." — aletheist
We have exchanged several posts now, all utilizing the English language. Unless you wish to claim that we have been throwing gibberish at each other, clearly you and I both have knowledge of the English language. — aletheist
Another assertion.As I explained previously, I only say how things appear to me. — 83nt0n
No, you do not. Read the definition of "axiom" that you quoted again.I could assert that "my big toe is purple" is an axiom, but I need to demonstrate that it is true. — 83nt0n
Two more assertions.I did not say that as an assertion. And I AM NOT asserting this either. — 83nt0n
It is not so much your individual inability as the fact that no one can be a complete skeptic--again, such a position is self-defeating--so it then becomes a matter of which beliefs you adopt, just like anyone else.how does my inability to be a complete skeptic have any bearing on skepticism as a position? — 83nt0n
You and I are competent users of the English language. This is a true proposition that we both justifiably believe. Therefore, we both have propositional knowledge.This might not be the same as propositional knowledge, which is the knowledge that I am talking about. — 83nt0n
Right back at you.Overall, no offense, but I don't think you understand my position at all. — 83nt0n
When you started posting.Why don't you give me some direction where the breakdown in communication happened? — ISeeIDoIAm
No, you do not. Read the definition of "axiom" that you quoted again. — aletheist
It is not so much your individual inability as the fact that no one can be a complete skeptic--again, such a position is self-defeating--so it then becomes a matter of which beliefs you adopt, just like anyone else. — aletheist
Right back at you. — aletheist
I'd say we're using simple questioning to argue that deductive logic is flawed. However, if deductive logic shows that deductive logic is flawed, then deductive logic is flawed. — 83nt0n
Once again, this is using modus ponens to prove modus ponens. — 83nt0n
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