Mathematics, physics, and formal languages require no reference point as an "I". They're about as objective as you can get. — Shawn
Hm. I'm not convinced of the relevance of this. I can understand what it is like to see something from another perspective. As we sit facing each other at table, I can understand that my knife is on my right, and yours on your right, despite yours being on my left. — Banno
The most extreme skeptics would argue that objectivity is even in principle impossible. But I guess that's another discussion and not relevant for humanity.
1h — Cidat
But then your last answer is nullified since you assert that we can objectively assert something to be undeniably true. — Cidat
Objective truth or objective reality may exist, that is, there may exist truths that are true regardless of perspective or bias, — Cidat
It looks like you just stated a truth about reality, therefore it would be an objective statement.Perception requires a reference point, that will inherently be subjective. — Shawn
How do we make objective statements with words, which are just particular sounds or scribbles, from our subjective perspective?Depends on the language, no?
Mathematics, physics, and formal languages require no reference point as an "I". They're about as objective as you can get. — Shawn
They do require a reference point though, because the data provided through these domains must be subject to interpretation. — emancipate
Are you making true statements, emancipate? If so, then aren't you're statements objective? How is it that you are making truth claims about how things are for Banno, when you aren't Banno? You must have some objective perspective of Banno to do that.This is just your imagination of another perspective, from your reference point. — emancipate
Which is to say that that is how the world appears from that reference point, which seems like an objective statement to me.Perception requires a reference point — Shawn
Are you making true statements, emancipate? If so, then aren't you're statements objective? — Harry Hindu
What do you mean by "true" if not that it is the case for everyone? If it's not true for everyone, then why say it? What use would it be for others? Keep it to yourself as it only applies to you.Do truth statements need to be absolutely objective? Can truth statements be both objective and subjective at once? In that case, I would prefer to say that my statements were partially true or that they contained an element of truth. While also being partially false. — emancipate
What do you mean by "true" if not that it is the case for everyone? If it's not true for everyone, then why say it? What use would it be for others? Keep it to yourself as it only applies to you. — Harry Hindu
Is there any serious objection to my statement that I am currently using a computer? — Pneumenon
Objectivity is possible through analysis, prediction, and success. Which is to say you analyze the properties of something, say a planet and its motion, you predict where it will be, and upon receiving data on its coordinates in space which align with your prediction then that is an objective truth. The same can be applied to any empirical science and to state otherwise would imply the observation to be merely by chance, yet, we can accurately predict the functionality of matter, alter to our will, which necessarily requires objective perception. — Templisonanum
For example, you cannot predict whether or not with complete accuracy if someone will have an adverse emotional reaction to something, since the essence of which does not exist. — Templisonanum
does perception require a reference point? — emancipate
I can understand what it is like to see something from another perspective. As we sit facing each other at table, I can understand that my knife is on my right, and yours on your right, despite yours being on my left.
— Banno
This is just your imagination of another perspective, from your reference point. — emancipate
What is the way to know if we have reached an objective truth? — David Mo
The idea that we cannot objectively assert anything about reality assumes that we have access to objective truth. — Cidat
If we cannot be objective, then we would have no way of knowing that. — Cidat
Is there any serious objection to my statement that I am currently using a computer?
— Pneumenon
I don't object to the statement but I do have to understand it through my subjectivity. How could I not? I have my doubts about strict objectivity. — emancipate
If you understand, then what is lacking? Again, you are making objective statements about words lacking something, as if anyone that uses words lacks something.It doesn't need to be the case that 'true' is exactly identical for everyone. It is sufficient that everyone finds enough truth in a statement to make practical use of it. Do you believe that your words are delivered without lack? Yet I still understand you. — emancipate
It depends on the goal. If the goal was accomplished, how can it be said that it wasn't accurate?You cannot technically predict anything with complete accuracy. — Echarmion
Objectivity is possible through analysis, prediction, and success — Templisonanum
We can also talk about "subjective truths".One can drop with word "objective" without loss: "What is the way to know if we have reached a truth" — Banno
There are some differences according to the different branches of knowledge but it is possible to draw a scale of objectivity. The so-called factual sciences are at the top. (Formal sciences are not objective).There is no reason to think that there is exactly one answer to this question; — Banno
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