When meaningful, categorical propositions or their negations are supposed to be true with respect to appropriate criteria, the latter phrase the lubricant that keeps the whole enterprise from grinding to a halt. I wish to focus on that: with respect to appropriate criteria. Truth without criteria is a chimera - how indeed would it be known to be the truth without criteria? — tim wood
Failure to provide evidence or support when requested renders the proposition in question null. — tim wood
Too many Foster's, Banno. Care to rethink your English, here?It's obvious that failing to provide support does not imply the lack of suport. — Banno
I imagine you get out of bed in the morning notwithstanding all the possible bad things that could happen. This isn't about cowering under it, but rather about getting on with it and assuming your interlocutor is acting and asking in good faith, that is, making a civil and appropriate request, which, apparently most voters think should be responded to in kind. To my way of thinking, assertion bears with it a responsibility to provide appropriate evidence, even more than once. I don't mean to harp on it - actually I do - but the word that matters is appropriate. And it's not out of the question that the discussion might shift to resolving questions about the supporting material.This is rather moot.... — Metaphysician Undercover
When asked for support, or evidence, many in good faith provide it. And some do not. This poll is towards a consensus and general understanding of how to interpret a failure to provide evidence in reply to a reasonable and good faith request for it. — tim wood
And if you can resist the impulse to show off your own erudition, maybe it's best.I’d just point them in what I consider the appropriate direction and no more. — I like sushi
And I have no problem here. More power to you if you can do this.I like to explore ideas rather than dismiss them. I often find it stimulating to squeeze sense out of arguments, propositions, positions, etc., that initially seem fruitless. — I like sushi
And if you can resist the impulse to show off your own erudition, maybe it's best. — tim wood
Failure to provide evidence or support when requested renders the proposition in question null. — tim wood
True, but that's a symptom of the discussion's potential degeneration into a time-wasting circle-jerk. And "proof" isn't really the point, just warrant - corroborable evidence and/or sound argument - sufficient for (plausable, or merely stipulative) assent.1 and 2 are in agreement but 3 seems to be a point of contention; some have voiced the opinion that answering "no" to query 3 is somehow wrong. This, however, isn't true. It's a good habit to prove a claim but just because the claim can't be proven, it doesn't then follow the claim is null. — TheMadFool
Agreed.Even if a claim is forwarded without evidence it could still be true.
Not at all. Onus probandi lies with the claimant (& counter-claimant), not for merely disagreeing or withholding assent for lack of warrant.If so, anyone disagreeing with such claims has the onus of disproving it.
I'm old school: assertions without argument can be dismissed without argument (Hitchens' Razor). Keep's the discussion moving productively, I think. — 180 Proof
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