Neither polytheism nor pantheism, as I understand them, are anti-theistic; rather, they are thematic variations on theism. At most, they're anti-MONOtheistic; but monotheism is only one branch among many of that old burning bush, and very much an almighty-come-lately in the history of divine conceptions. — 180 Proof
Neither polytheism nor pantheism, as I understand them, are anti-theistic; rather, they are thematic variations on theism. At most, they're anti-MONOtheistic; but monotheism is only one branch among many theistic branches that make up that old-time "burning bush", and very much, besides, an "almighty"-come-lately in the history of divine conceptions. — 180 Proof
Not quite: I use both terms conceptually (not colloquially) as second-order (meta) statements in which each, one general and the other specific, addresses - tests - first-order (object) statements about g/G (re: theism):I dont know if we are talking past each other or what...lets start from the beginning.
Atheism is about whether or not god exists, anti-theism is about opposing religion or believers/theistic beliefs about god.
Do you accept that distinction? — DingoJones
"Atheism is simply the absence of belief in gods; anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism ." — Baden
Irreligious.So what do you call someone who is not an atheist, but opposes religion? — DingoJones
You're mistaken. E.g. (JCI) monotheists are atheists with respect to "other gods" (e.g. Olympian Pantheon, Nordic Sagas, Hindu Vedas, Indigenous tribal totems, etc). — 180 Proof
No. Holding 'simultaneously' that both theism and anti-theism are 'true' is contradictory. As Wolfman & Wayfarer point out (above), the 'apparent inconsistency' (of (e.g.) Daoist pandeism (or pantheism?) combined with worship of local deities + ancester veneration) is only apparent and quite pragmatic, or non-binary - different 'objects of hope' for addressing different 'modes of fear' - in terms of cultural (traditional) context. — 180 Proof
It seems it's possible to be a theist and yet an antitheist for the latter is defined as an active opposition to god. An atheist being an antitheist is natural evolution doing its thing but a theist who is an antitheist is someone who must hold that god does more harm than good, something not too outlandish if one looks at all the atrocious acts being committed in his name. — TheMadFool
But, a Polytheist or Pantheist could be an Antitheist if they disagreed with the Theistic conception of God and had some animosity towards Theism in general, right? — Pinprick
Well, if it "includes opposing religion, irreligious is good enough for me.“irreligious” includes opposing religion, not knowing religion and not choosing a religion. Its not specific to opposing religion ... — DingoJones
I get that, but so what? Whats the relevance of whether I agree with the first sentence in someone else's post? I actually think there are a lot off errors in that quote from Fool, but I would bring that up with him not you, right? I was disagreeing with the statement you made — DingoJones
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