Seri
Zophie
boethius
NOS4A2
NOS4A2
What do you mean by "how long"? Would you suggest that after a period of time, people that originally were taking advantage of the moment would stop due to some reason?
boethius
Not so. Anarchism is not majoritarian. — Pfhorrest
ztaziz
boethius
but its difference from the rest of what we would consider the Left (although some, like myself, see political theory not as linear so much as multidimensiona — Grre
Anarchists wish to return power to each individual as an autonomous agent. — Grre
The Liberal/NeoLiberal (which is far from Left, more like middling centre) focuses on these one-issue campaigns (ie. abortion rights, gay marriage ect.) which, maybe slightly progressive in comparison to the more centre-rights (Republicans, Conservatives) ect. are pretty much ineffective in addressing the whole system, and in fact, some thinkers have argued that placing emphasis on these identity politic issues obscures the system even more so, a prime example is with regards to environmental movements. Sure, everyone should recycle, but placing the onus on a small minority of individual obscures the much larger systemic issue of an economic system based on consumerism, and the giant corporations that create tonnes more waste than one individual ever could in their lifetime. — Grre
boethius
Socialists/communists largely believe in a collective organization-which is where the misconception that 'slavery under communism' comes from-ie. its totalitarian history-that people have no choice but participate and sacrifice themselves to this 'collective' — Grre
However, one this to add is that these movement are ineffective not because attaining those issues aren't worthwhile things, but if and when they collaborate with the dominant structure of power. As a counter-example to contemporary examples that have clearly contributed to giving us Trump vs Biden, desegregation was a single-issue leftist movement. Obviously it was good to desegregate. However, MLK clearly understood that desegregation simply to be poor didn't accomplish all that much, and also understood that the structure of poverty regardless of race was as important as the blight of slavery and segregation. MLK was assassinated before really getting into this second phase; the system praises his work on desegregation every year (insofar as it's presented in a way that doesn't challenge the power structure), but mentioning his thoughts on poverty makes one a dangerous pariah (an interesting example of long term double think the system can support).
boethius
That’s exactly what I mean by “not majoritarian”: just being the majority vote doesn’t make it right. — Pfhorrest
Pfhorrest
NOS4A2
The Anarchist response to opportunists would be that such were 'created' in turn by a system that values greed (I believe it was Chomsky). Arguably then, Anarchism is more of an ideal theory than a short-term practical one. Take away all centralized power and very likely such mayhem would ensue, the question is, if the power remained taken away-would future generations act in such a way? Perhaps not.
boethius
And direct democracy in the usual sense is normally functionally majoritarian. — Pfhorrest
If 51% of the electorate directly approve of something then it’s law, fuck the other 49% if they disagree and can’t persuade 2% more to change their minds. Anarchy isn’t “direct democracy” like that. — Pfhorrest
jkg20
That only by abolishing human-made laws can men be complete, in the political sense of the word, free
boethius
especially "right wing" minimal state anarchists of the kind well represented by Nozick's Anarchy, State and Utopia, since economic equality is something that has to be ensured. — jkg20
jkg20
Pfhorrest
Yes, anarchists usually like this sort of direct democratic participation; which is majoritarian. — boethius
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I understand that anarchism is the belief that all types of states are illegitimate. — Seri
boethius
51% of people, all of them white, deciding that nonwhites may be enslaved, isn’t anarchic. That’s just tyranny of the majority. — Pfhorrest
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