Respectfully, the very fact that the question posed has to delineate particular qualifications for the idea to be considered "an excellent form of government" should give rise to the suspicion that the answer to such a question is inevitably going to be a negative one. — Contra Mundum
communism, like it's foundational father socialism, is grounded in covetousness and theft. — Contra Mundum
the incentive to work for one's wages in such a system dies when those who work far less are paid the same as those who put in far more effort. — Contra Mundum
I see your objection, but not your alternative. — Isaac
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How does a UBI relate to communism? I seem to recall most people had to work for a living in the USSR. — jgill
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There’s a thread on UBI somewhere else. To my knowledge no one has mentioned UBI here. — I like sushi
A modern myth. Not even animals live without hierarchical structures.Anarchism is the natural human state. — I like sushi
Before there was a governmental body there wasn’t a governmental body - hierarchy doesn’t necessarily mean ‘governmental hierarchy’ and I’m argue that small tribal groups don’t constitute a ‘government’. — I like sushi
Communism — TheDarkElf
There's no perfect system, because humans are involved. And some humans will seek to be more equal than the others. It might be rich capitalists, but it could also be higher up communist party members with all the right connections. Under any system, there's always going to be scarcity of some kind that's desired. It could be land, social status, precious jewels, whatever. And there will always be people better able for whatever reason (moral or otherwise) to acquire those things. — Marchesk
In this scenario human error and greed is removed. — TheDarkElf
Communism doesn't solve the problem of work. It simply creates a larger overseer of the work that people will perform. According to some though, work provides some sort of dignity or some self-reinforcing slogans of that nature. So uh, I guess the State will allow us to let us carry on our services of "dignity" for the "greater good" of the State. My question is what does this really solve?
Also, as you stated, people with greater capacity will simply become the leaders, direct things, make the things happen. The ones who don't have the capacity will slowly become siphoned off from power, and there will simply be another form of hierarchy- the ones that produce and the ones that need the help of the producers. Then the producers themselves won't even want to produce anymore. The whole thing collapses on its own weight and its back to some people having more wealth accumulation than others. — schopenhauer1
If you would say the same thing about national socialism, you would be banned.Of course there have been many terrible communist systems in the past and some that continue into he present. But if we can try to ignore those for a moment, is communism not an excellent form of government — TheDarkElf
Oh, so take out humans out of the picture? For whom are you making this thought experiment? If we talk about other species, there are a lot of obstacles there in portraying politics into their behavior.In this scenario human error and greed is removed. — TheDarkElf
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