Such are the wonders of a two party system and the self-fulfilling attitude of having no choice. — Baden
So you think the best way to find a candidate with personal integrity is to just have more parties to increase the odds one won't be a piece of shit in his personal life? — Hanover
Baden
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↪Frank Apisa
It's you and the Dem machine who want Trump to win. Why else would you be getting behind a senile accused rapist? You realize without suburban women, you have zero hope of winning, right? You realize vast swathes of them are not going to vote for someone they think is a rapist? And you realize you can't make them forget about Tara Reade by calling them Nazis? What you need to do is make Biden stand down. If you don't do that, I conclude you want Trump to win. — Baden
And below them...will be the people who are doing what you are doing, Baden. That bottom group will be regarded as the true sludge. — Frank Apisa
Hanover
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And below them...will be the people who are doing what you are doing, Baden. That bottom group will be regarded as the true sludge.
— Frank Apisa
I understand the approach of supporting the ideology but not the person. You can logically be a good person and vote for a bad person. It really comes down to what degree you expect your leaders to be good people versus wanting them to support your views.
I don't follow your position tough. You blast Trump for being a disgusting person and provide that as reason not to support him, but you give Biden a pass for the same behavior. — Hanover
Logic would require some consistency here. Either be a pragmatist and vote for a bad person whose politics you agree with (and so withhold your criticisms when your Trump opponents do the same), or condemn anyone who votes for a morally bad person. — Hanover
I've expressed some reservation in convicting Biden myself, despite mounting evidence because I do think as a society we're too quick to judge. However I do wish to distance myself from any suggestion that the accusation against Biden couldn't possibly have occurred because digital penetration is impossible without arousal and consent. That argument indicates an irrational advocate unwilling to accept any damaging evidence. — Hanover
I take your position really to be to do whatever is necessary to get Biden elected, regardless of what double standards, logical contradictions, or ad homs you have to engage in. Fair enough, but I don't think that position holds much weight in a philosophy forum and it's very doubtful that's a winning marketing strategy either. — Hanover
In any case, what you term "morals" factors in very low on my list of qualities I want in a president. — Frank Apisa
Baden
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In any case, what you term "morals" factors in very low on my list of qualities I want in a president.
— Frank Apisa
So if it turned out Biden was a paedophile, you'd still support him? (Or to make it more analogous, let's say he was credibly accused of paedophilia). What exactly would he have to do for you not to support him? — Baden
But if it were a choice between an accused pedophile Joe Biden and Trump...
...I would choose Biden before Trump in an instant. — Frank Apisa
But if it were a choice between an accused pedophile Joe Biden and Trump...
...I would choose Biden before Trump in an instant.
— Frank Apisa
Seek help. — Baden
Shawn
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I'm getting mad depression dudes. Idk what's going on lately. — Shawn
Oh God Biden's going to fucking die, and he'll take anyone who has cared about sexual assault and rape down with him. This is not a take-down of Biden - this is a take-down of anyone who ever asked that women's grievances be taken seriously. Biden's actually going to fucking ruin the credibility of an entire generation and cause for justice. Holy shit. — StreetlightX
If all you've got is ad homs and a quote from one random feminist who supports Biden, you've got nothing. When you can formulate an argument of your own, feel free to do so. — Baden
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