not voting... is indeed a vote.
— Xtrix
Lol. — StreetlightX
The act of pressing a button is irrelevant. — Xtrix
It's pathological as you said. The attempt to shame someone else for refusing to do what they themselves are doing. — Baden
The accusation against Biden does not make sense to me. It seems to me to violate what a famous lawyer called "the rule of probability." That is, in the particulars it seems too unlikely and improbable. — tim wood
First of all, there are potential third party options, so abstaining is not the only way to not vote for a rapist. As for your logic, if you can't work out how stupid what you're saying is you should not be on this forum. It is literal nonsense. — Baden
Ok, at least you've articulated a position that isn't just a bunch of ad homs. I'll get back to you more on it later, especially seeing as the point about character is complicated. — Baden
Earth. You? The particulars don't. Focus on what the issue actually is: did he do the thing he is accused of? Not, did he do some other thing he is not accused of, those other things being things that other people did. Apparently you've made a decision on that question. If so, I'm wondering how you came to make that decision.No it doesn't. It's not only very probable, it happens all the time. E.g. Trump, Clinton. What planet do you live on? — Baden
Pull the lever (Biden). Don't pull the lever (Trump). How many people are on the tracks in front of either? It certainly seems like there are more on the Trump side. — ProbablyTrue
I've cited Chomsky a number of times, for example. If I'm in the same "idiotic" league as Chomsky, I take it as a compliment. — Xtrix
It's not an ad hom, you are literally saying extremely stupid things. — Baden
For example, by your logic, abstaining from voting means voting for Trump and Biden simultaneously (why would it only mean voting for Trump?) — Baden
and voting for a third party must mean voting for Trump, Biden, and that third party simultaneously. — Baden
I'm not engaging with you anymore until you stop that. — Baden
So you've cited Chomsky. And? Far as I know, Chomsky made a pragmatic argument which I've not criticized (though I may disagree with it). It's the attempts at vote-shaming I've been objecting to. — Baden
What the incredibly dumb 'arithmetic' leaves out of the equation is of course that a vote for either legitimates the entire operation of blackmail which forced one in that position to begin with. Stupid inputs, stupid outputs. — StreetlightX
And Chomsky is an idiot on this. Much like his linguistics. — StreetlightX
I'd advise you to go back and read what you said about neonspectraltoast and the arguments you used to support that. Maybe I should have just described them as "gibberish" instead of "stupid" and "idiotic". — Baden
I can't vote for a rapist. I'll be sitting this one out.
— neonspectraltoast
Thus guaranteeing a rapist remains in office, but with the added benefit of destroying the planet.
Makes sense I guess. — Xtrix
Other stuff you said previously did give me some insight, but accusing someone of supporting a rapist when that's exactly what you're doing and what they're refusing to do, I found annoying. The pragmatic stuff I just disagree with. — Baden
Perhaps a better question: what do those voting for a third party candidate hope to accomplish by doing so? I ask this seriously. Is there some other goal besides disgust with the two candidates?
Our whole argument is based on rejecting the diseased framework on which your arguments are premised. So, we're not going to see eye to eye. — Baden
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