A blind man lacks a common sense. But he presumably has all the other common senses. — unenlightened
'Did you see that flying pig just now? I'd swear it was smoking a pipe!' — unenlightened
It's not a principle at all, but if something leads one to doubt one's senses, one looks for corroboration. I ask whether you saw that flying pig, because it is, as you say, odd. If it were normal, it would arouse no doubt and no comment, unless, 'Did you see that flying pig just now? I'd swear it was smoking a pipe!' — unenlightened
It is not an hallucination, but it is an illusion.
How does that play into the calculation? — Frank Apisa
So what is the remaining 75%? — Outlander
Do you think a person should corroborate what he's perceiving by checking how many other people also perceive the same thing? — TheMadFool
You need a reason to doubt a particular perception before seeking 'other evidence'. — unenlightened
How would you differentiate a perception from a hallucination? — Outlander
But I speak from the bane of philosophy, the skeptic's point of view — TheMadFool
Well from there, you have no more reason to believe any answer you might get, than the original perception. In fact there's no point my talking to you as you will dismiss it as 'mere perception'. In fact you don't even have a point of view, merely a point of perception. In fact... no, there are no facts, only perceptions. The perception that you or I are saying anything at all is... merely ... — unenlightened
... we aren't making a mistake by looking for and evaluating good reasons to believe whether our perceptions are hallucinations or real. — TheMadFool
And what, pray, does skepticism recommend we use to make this evaluation? Given that even if we find what we are looking for in the way of reasons to believe, they are just as dubitable perceptions as the perceptions we doubt, there seems no reason to do any such thing and that it is indeed a foolish mistake — unenlightened
Look how we argue (in the logical sense). It reveals what we trust in - logic/reason — TheMadFool
Just your perception dude. I'm not even here, I'm just an hallucination. — unenlightened
Everything can be doubted and that includes perception as per skepticism. — TheMadFool
Totally convincing argument, dude. Your hallucination is convinced by flattery, where logic utterly failed. — unenlightened
Yeah, the Trump administration tells us this often.
They ask, "What are you gonna believe, you're lyin' eyes or what we tell you is so?" — Frank Apisa
Yes it was an argument. Your hallucination agrees with your potent argumentation, and is completely convinced, and this is evidence that you are not hallucinating and and that skepticism, though perfectly reasonable, is in this case disproved. That's right, isn't it? — unenlightened
The limitations of our "senses" in combination with the fluidity of our "memory" make eyewitness testimony among the worst forms of "evidence". — prothero
The limitations of our "senses" in combination with the fluidity of our "memory" make eyewitness testimony among the worst forms of "evidence". — prothero
This is the problem with skepticism; the more I believe it, the less believable it is. — unenlightened
I suspect you rely more on instrumentation, measurement and science for your evidence i.e DNA vs eyewitness testimony.
I'm not solipist or a skeptic just recognizing the limitations of eyewitness testimony and evidence. — prothero
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