Well what exactly do you loathe about it? Is there anything you like about it? (Medicine is pretty swell). — DingoJones
I probably would have picked an argument other than "medicine". What's the point in living longer in a world you loathe? — JoeyB
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I found that quite thought provoking. Why is loathing not productive, except at least a starting point? — JoeyB
If you would give me the offer right now to erase my modern day knowledge and return to the times of hunter-gatherers, I'd take it. Anyways, now I find myself in the peculiar situation of having to accept it to thrive in it. — madworld
so becoming a hermit out in the woods is out of the question. Put plainly: I am deathly afraid of ending up alone, but can’t shake the sense that I'm selling out my beliefs/principals/ideals. — madworld
Anyone think I’m wrong about modern society (or agree)? I’m all ears. — madworld
You seem to romanticize primitive tribalism. Modern cultures are not "unnatural", but merely different. They are evolutionary developments of human nature. And they are different, not because of human evil intentions, but because Cultural evolution changes much faster than Natural evolution. So, like the Red Queen, of Alice in Wonderland fame, said " It takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place".I really don't see any other choice; the only thing more unnatural than modern society is a life void of community and tribe, a life of seclusion and desolation, so becoming a hermit out in the woods is out of the question. Put plainly: I am deathly afraid of ending up alone, but can’t shake the sense that I'm selling out my beliefs/principals/ideals. — madworld
If you would give me the offer right now to erase my modern day knowledge and return to the times of hunter-gatherers — madworld
Yes. Humans evolved to thrive in small tribes where everybody knew each other. But now we know our Facebook "friends" as images on a cell phone. Facebook was a technological solution to a problem caused in part by technology. We live apart nowadays because we can; because tech made independent living possible. As hunter gatherers, most of our ancestors wouldn't survive for long in the wilderness in isolation from the tribe.But surely there is a widespread alienation and loneliness that would not be in the state of nature? — madworld
Seriously - there is not much to say: The young are far out on the gaussian curve of voters - society is not yours, and will never be until you do not care anymore.It was Rousseau that started me on the "loathe society, it's unnatural" path, if it makes any difference. — madworld
It's ironic I suppose. Back then in a time you admire your chances of making it through the year or often even the day were a complete toss up. Now in an age you claim to abhor your chances of making it to old age are quite likely. Not guaranteed sure. But likely. — Outlander
Who’s stopping you? — I like sushi
As long as you do not prove your fitness to survive (which might mean earning money) - in practice - you are unable to reproduce yourself and to survive.
Natural as can be: You just know you are scum. :grin: — Heiko
Well, yeah. That’s what I meant by “now I find myself in the peculiar situation of having to accept it to thrive in it”, because “I am deathly afraid of ending up alone”. — MadWorld1
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