"Firm landing" - whatever that means - by what arguments or lack of same did you came to land "firmly"? — tim wood
Without going into detail, I found several lines of inquiry led to the same hard determinist conclusion. — Brook Norton
But I am having a heck of a time finding any writing that addressed how we should live our mental lives as a hard determinist. — Brook Norton
You are defining “free will” as freedom from determinism. If you don’t define it that way, you don’t have that problem. — Pfhorrest
Having free will does indeed consist in being unaffected by certain things and one’s behavior instead determined instead by other things. Namely, in one’s behavior being determined by one’s practical or moral reasoning (what you think you should do), and other influences having negligible interference in that process. — Pfhorrest
However, if your path includes belief in determinism then it can affect significantly the path you must take in the future. For example, a true story... I used to feel angry at someone who did me a grave disservice. But when I started applying hard determinism I realized that person could not help doing what they did. I try to feel now, no anger, but a desire to act as to avoid any future problems like that. From anger to no anger so there are practical implications. — Brook Norton
And your anger is part of the deterministic effects of their actions. People react to other people's actions deterministically. How you reacted was predetermined, and is possible that has a deterministic effect on their behavior in the future.Ok. However, if your path includes belief in determinism then it can affect significantly the path you must take in the future. For example, a true story... I used to feel angry at someone who did me a grave disservice. But when I started applying hard determinism I realized that person could not help doing what they did. I try to feel now, no anger, but a desire to act as to avoid any future problems like that. From anger to no anger so there are practical implications. — Brook Norton
What process? — I like sushi
one’s behavior being determined by one’s practical or moral reasoning — Pfhorrest
Usually, maybe, but I think it depends on which effect we're talking about.But someone standing quietly out of the way just watching events usually has such little influence that nobody would notice a difference between them being there or not unless perhaps they were looking very carefully for evidence that they were there. That’s a negligible influence. That’s “doing nothing”: as far as anyone can tell, on an ordinary macroscopic scale, the exact same things happened as would have happened if you hadn’t been there at all. — Pfhorrest
But someone standing quietly out of the way just watching events usually has such little influence that nobody would notice a difference between them being there or not — Pfhorrest
If "free will" means you can weigh the pros and cons and then decide how to act, then I'm a compatibilist. But if "free will" means you could have done otherwise, then I'm a hard determinist. I think the later definition is the more meaningful as I believe it is what most people intuit when they speak casually of free will. — Brook Norton
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