Never said or implied that. Strawman.Or millions currently out of work in the U.S.
— 180 Proof
The pandemic is the fault of the greedy rich? — Marchesk
Non sequitur. 40m+ jobs lost in 88 days - what's the unemployment rate NOW, friend? And more significantly, WHICH income quintiles make up the overwhelming majority of pandemic-driven business closures & layoffs?What was the unemployment rate before Covid in the US?
Now I don’t know which of those killings were or were not justified, but I think a citizen force or militia like the Black Panther Party might be a good idea to keep a watchful eye on the interactions between the state and their community. — NOS4A2
Yes, I can see that. If it was about one man being killed, I would agree with you. But it isn't. One man is killed by another while other police look on impassively and the whole thing is on video, and no one is arrested. If this passes, then anything passes. So I am going to throw all my toys out of the pram, and all your toys out of your pram, and every other bugger's toys out of their prams, until everyone altogether decides that this will not pass. This is war. Don't act surprised when Poland gets invaded.
Honestly, if Chauvin gets off then I'd join in some of the riots. Not against private businesses though. — BitconnectCarlos
This to me just sounds Machiavellian and kind of evil to me to be honest. I'm fine with someone being self-interested in their personal or economic reality but for the political process... or when it comes to violence this is obviously horrible. I know you understand this so I don't know why you're presenting a view that you've probably rejected.
Honestly, if a black man or a white man came up to me and told me "ya know, I'm really only interested in my own community and I couldn't give a **** what happens to anyone else" I absolutely wouldn't engage in dialogue with this person. — BitconnectCarlos
What I do care about is people and children going hungry because their jobs were lost because their workplaces were destroyed. — BitconnectCarlos
Chauvin was arrested. — BitconnectCarlos
Black people need to arm themselves with the most powerful weapons legally available and when they see a cop trying to murder one of their community, make a citizen's execution arrest — Baden
Thing is that a jury gets to decide that unless they convince him to plead guilty for the good of the country. So you never know.
Should we riot over a jury decision? It's one thing not to prosecute cops, but it's another when they have their day in court. As long as the prosecution and judge do their jobs.
A jury decision is a citizenry thing. It's different if a judge gives the cop a BS light sentence.
The protests were never going to be peaceful, and it is naivety and bad strategy to use that as some kind of standard for discussion. As I said, there have been two movements of co-opting here: one by violent protestors, and one of violent protestors. The latter - happening in this thread and elsewhere in the media - is infinitely, incalculably worse than the former. — StreetlightX
If this passes, then anything passes. So I am going to throw all my toys out of the pram, and all your toys out of your pram, and every other bugger's toys out of their prams, until everyone altogether decides that this will not pass. This is war. Don't act surprised when Poland gets invaded. — unenlightened
Black people need to arm themselves with the most powerful weapons legally available and when they see a cop trying to murder one of their community, make a citizen's execution arrest. — Baden
Do you? Really? What do you do about it?
A bunch of random property damage scares no-one except some small business owners. — Echarmion
Well, I don't destroy their places of work for one. I feel like this is becoming more about me than anything ideas-based so I don't see how it's too relevant. Nonetheless, I'm a pretty generous tipper and I'm happy to give personal financial advise/help people figure out a budget. — BitconnectCarlos
So why's the army there then? — unenlightened
No, it's a great way to stop their people getting killed. You have a right to protect yourself from murderers, yes? — Baden
So, again, the moral foundation your argument rests on is nothing but politically-loaded quicksand and there is no reason for anyone not sharing your skewed perspective to accept it.
From there, we move on to tactics. Could it work?
So, what's utterly horrible is to expect the poor to play Jesus while the rich and powerful are the only ones allowed to be Machiavellian.
I didn't make it about you, you did. See I don't claim to care too much about strangers' economic situations, so I don't have to defend it. Stick to abstracts like 'justice' is my advice. You know - ideas.
and collapsing state — unenlightened
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