That's a great way to get a whole bunch of people killed. Not sure why the Koch brothers would care though.
Now, the same people are boggling at suggestions for minority communities to arm themselves in the face of the criminal justice system failing them, again — fdrake
Not a shootout and not one group of protesters fighting another angry group. — Marchesk
Well, if conceiving reality is toxic then so be it because this is the way the powerful act as though they conceive. I think you are not so naive as to not know that.
I meant specifically; why do you think that 2nd amendment gun nuts aren't out protesting with their guns already, when they've seen journalists being fired on, peaceful protesters being assaulted, people being fired on while standing in the doorway to their own private property? — fdrake
Your tone was hysterical not your content. — Baden
But I know if I were living in 1960s-70s Ireland where systemic discrimination was similarly rife, I would have wanted to arm myself as some did. The British and their bigoted police never respected anything but force. — Baden
Everyone protected
their right to free speech — fdrake
Now, the same people are boggling at suggestions for minority communities to arm themselves in the face of the criminal justice system failing them, again. — fdrake
Would the police have acted the way they did with Floyd if the members of that community were walking around armed with guns? I’m not sure they would have. — NOS4A2
Black people need to arm themselves with the most powerful weapons legally available and when they see a cop trying to murder one of their community, make a citizen's execution arrest. — Baden
It is a big deal. See the penalties. — Outlander
The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if an
The entire tone in this thread is histerical IMO, some of your comments included. — Echarmion
And how did that work out for the people that armed themselves? Not a rhetorical question, I'd like to know if you think the counter-violence was worth it. — Echarmion
Also obvious civil war potential. — Echarmion
There's a long history of cops killing black people under ultra suspicious and avoidable circumstances; so much so it happens uproariously every year. At some point it becomes a pattern - it's been a pattern for a long time. — fdrake
Put that in a political and economic context; the groups that are disproportionately effected by such brutality are also severely economically disadvantaged; their schools are worse, their neighbourhoods have less money, they have much less social capital to leverage into organisational influence, nevermind political influence. — fdrake
Put that in a political context where minority communities are gerrymandered so their votes matter less, in a context where no politician they could vote for actually would implement or even study targeted measures that would mitigate the disadvantages they have. — fdrake
I'm for protesters arming themselves for the same reason I'm for them using video cameras; it forces a armed police force with a history of brutality against minorities in situations like these to be able to be held accountable. Cops are not minority communities' friends, they show up in force whenever those communities start looking like they're trying to gain more political autonomy. — fdrake
And I get super duper frustrated with the eternal impetus of centrist commentators to wait and work through official channels; there's just no forum in which even the problems of minority communities will even be recognized as problems, because addressing them requires systemic changes. — fdrake
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