Also, claiming an "overreaction" means that you evaluate the riots to be worse than the original crime and everything it stands for. — praxis
Yes there is definitely Nothing more to say about the structural violence that led to yet another black man being murdered in broad daylight and the links between capital, policing, poverty, crime, and a hundred other social factors — StreetlightX
Everybody agrees that the original offense was wrong, but some people contend that the reactions are all perfectly justified, and conversation centers around wherever there is disagreement. — Pfhorrest
It's important to keep in mind that you can accept the protests, with the rioting, as legitimate, while also saying that rioting shouldn't be encouraged, for whatever reason. — Echarmion
The right response to a crime should not be something exactly equally wrong as the crime but "in the opposite direction" or something; it should be constructive, something to remedy the harm done and prevent future harm, not just return harm upon its original perpetrator. — Pfhorrest
Justice isn't arithmetic like that. — Pfhorrest
This means that you believe the rioting is unjustified or is worse than the original crime and the systematic racism that it stands for. — praxis
This means that you believe the rioting is unjustified or is worse than the original crime and the systematic racism that it stands for.
— praxis
The point of the post you're responding to is to argue that "unjustified" doesn't equal "worse that the original crime".
You can respond to harm with lesser harm and still be unjustified. It's not the amount of harm dispensed by whom that constitutes justice. — Pfhorrest
The ingenious, and shrewd, great landowners, merchants and lawyers who created the U.S. took pains to protect certain civil liberties and restrict the power of government. I thought this generally wise and valuable. But I doubt even those worldly men could have imagined the extent to which wealth and the wealthy would come to control everything and everyone here. Our politicians are bought and sold many times over. It's the nature of our politics that large sums of money are required by any successful politician, and so those who govern us are mere shills for those who support them as candidates or incumbents. The idea of plunder has become such a part of our legal system that our Supreme Court has decided that money is a form of speech protected by the First Amendment. — Ciceronianus the White
Bear with me. Or don't and pass on. — Ciceronianus the White
Certain kinds of looting, sanctioned by the law and our morality, are not just tolerated but encouraged in our Glorious Republic. — Ciceronianus the White
There are reactions and there is justice. Yes, they should not get confused. — praxis
Maybe it would simplify things if you explain what you mean by the riots being an overreaction. It seems to be an evaluation of some kind.
Destruction of unrelated storefronts, including ones owned by people who are struggling to make ends meet themselves, or especially (in that video posted earlier) some homeless guy's mattress, is not justified. — Pfhorrest
You evaluate that this is worse (an unjustified reaction) — praxis
Destruction of unrelated storefronts, including ones owned by people who are struggling to make ends meet themselves, or especially (in that video posted earlier) some homeless guy's mattress, is not justified. — Pfhorrest
We're not going to take it. We're not going to be repetitious. In every case of police brutality, the same thing has been happing. Y'all protest, y'alll destory stuff and they don't move. You know why they don't move? Because it's our stuff not their stuff. So they want us to destroy our stuff. They'e not going to move. So let's do this another way. — George Floyd
Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves.
The bottom line is this: if we want to bring about real change, then the choice isn't between protest and politics. We have to do both. We have to mobilize to raise awareness, and we have to organize and cast our ballots to make sure that we elect candidates who will act on reform." — Obama
I'm hear to call you out for your recklessness and for your obscene disrespect to a righteous cause that you are trying to hijack. When you or anyone behaves in this way, we all lose. By giving the vary same forces of oppression we fight against the false validation that they crave. — Lori Lightfoo
For those of you not from our city, I want you take your asses home right now! — Stephen K. Benjamin
It's far less bad than, as you say, the incalculable suffering caused by systematic racism that is now symbolized by the George Floyd murder. — Pfhorrest
But just being less bad than that doesn't make it perfectly okay. — Pfhorrest
The Insurrection Act of 1807 is being seriously discussed . — 180 Proof
They weren't trying to send a message about Mr. Floyd ... This doesn't send a message. It doesn't say let's get socially involved.
But to the main issue, maybe some of the people who shouldn't be police are getting exposed right now. There's been a few firings so far. Needs to be more. Maybe a lot more.
They have refused to protect and serve, sheepishly standing around as communities are razed to the ground. — NOS4A2
What is this either/or? has anyone actually said it was okay? — praxis
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