There are two kinds of belief. Linguistic and non linguistic.
— creativesoul
Perhaps you would be better served to simply say 'those which are expressed linguistically and those which are not". — Janus
Care to set out these basic ideas? I'm unsure what you're talking about. — creativesoul
Their central concept is that people and groups interacting in a social system create, over time, concepts or mental representations of each other's actions, and that these concepts eventually become habituated into reciprocal roles played by the actors in relation to each other. When these roles are made available to other members of society to enter into and play out, the reciprocal interactions are said to be institutionalized. In the process, meaning is embedded in society. Knowledge and people's conceptions (and beliefs) of what reality is become embedded in the institutional fabric of society. Reality is therefore said to be socially constructed. — Wiki
For both Heidegger and Wittgenstein, then, the source of the intelligibility of the world is the average daily practices through which alone there can be any understanding at all. — Dreyfus
The very essence of spirit is action. It makes itself what it essentially is; it is its own product, its own work. Thus it becomes object of itself, thus it is presented to itself as an external existence. Likewise the spirit of a people: it is a definite spirit which builds itself up to an objective world. This world, then, stands and continues in its religion, its cult, its customs, its constitution and political laws, the whole scope of its institutions, its events and deeds. This is its work: this one people! Peoples are what their deeds are. Every Englishman will say, we are the ones who navigate the ocean and dominate world commerce, who own East India and its wealth, who have a parliament, juries, and so on. The function of the individual is to appropriate to himself this substantial being, make it part of his character and capacity, and thus to become something in the world. For he finds the existence of the people as a ready-made, stable world, into which he must fit himself. The spirit of the people, then, enjoys and satisfies itself in its work, in its world. — Hegel
For me, the 'relation' that houses are bigger than apples is in my brain — Isaac
Something is off here... — creativesoul
Nah. There are no non linguistic beliefs that are expressed linguistically. So, the suggestion ends up focusing upon only linguistic beliefs... those uttered and those not. That is of no help here. — creativesoul
A text to be treated with great caution.
Reality tends to delineate what we can and cannot construct, despite our best efforts. — Banno
This leads to the conclusion that there are two kinds of beliefs; those which are expressed linguistically and those which are not, but are instead manifested in action. — Janus
This leads to the conclusion that there are two kinds of beliefs; those which are expressed linguistically and those which are not, but are instead manifested in action. — Janus
More interesting is that there cannot be an inexpressible belief; all beliefs are beliefs that such-and-such. — Banno
I see a difference in scope. Understanding that the floor is solid is straight forward. Understand that "The floor is solid" is true requires that one refer to the proposition that the floor is solid; it's a reflexive use of language, and not something a cat is able to do. Much the same as that the cat can understand that its human will feed it, but not that its human will feed it next Tuesday. — Banno
Beliefs which have not been "expressed linguistically" can be expressed linguistically... — Banno
Yes, it's true that linguistic expressions are also actions. — Janus
This brings us back to the idea of the "social construction of reality". And this idea is not problematic as long as you remember that construction is not creation in any ex nihilo sense. — Janus
OK. But do you not think that it's difficult to draw a line? Is 'how are you?' really a question? — path
This is related to an anti-skepticism post I made recently. The Cartesian skeptic who doubts the outer world already assumes the unity of a 'mind' or 'inner' voice as an 'I' that is knee deep in 'meaning.' Of course this is all intuitive enough within our form of life, but perhaps it's mostly a habit, a kind of background sedimentation.
That's right; there are obviously no non-linguistic beliefs which are expressed; you have simply uttered a tautology that tells us nothing. The only purported beliefs we can "focus on" are those which are somehow manifested; either by utterances or actions. Not all of those are linguistic beliefs, again obviously; the examples of what we take to be animal beliefs are cases in point; if animals have beleifs, then they are non-linguistic and expressed in the animals' actions.
So, their are no beliefs which could not be, at least in principle, expressed; either linguistically or non-linguistically. This leads to the conclusion that there are two kinds of beliefs; those which are expressed linguistically and those which are not, but are instead manifested in action. — Janus
Here's a distinction worth making - that between beliefs about how things are, and beliefs about what is believed.
On the one hand we have the cat believing that the floor is solid, or if you prefer Creative believing that the floor is wood.
On the other we have the cat believing that the statement "the floor is solid" is true; or Creative believing that the cat believes that "the floor is solid" is true. We might call this second, reflexive beliefs.
These reflexive beliefs are about propositions, and hence require language. Whereas the belief that the floor is solid is about the floor, and hence does not require language. — Banno
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