But what's to do when "fascism, alt-right and white supremacy" are in power? 'Fight the power' seems like an idea... — unenlightened
So I have been thinking about this bit. Is there any reasonable expectation that this time around, there will be Bipartisan support for change? That the republican establishment didn't even seem to blink at Trump's suggestion to send in the army isn't encouraging.
And there is the question of how much good reform does in the short term. Police departments cannot retrain, much less replace, their entire staff overnight. And arguably the police violence is another symptom of the huge economic disparities.
So if the political will isn't there for not just police reform, but a change of economic policy, then what is the next step? The elections aren't until November, and whoever does get elected will not necessarily change much. If the political will doesn't materialize, and I don't think it will, what level of disobedience to the system is justified & effective? Will property damage cause enough disruption to force the holders of economic power to the table? Will just being out in the street, refusing to comply with curfews etc. continue to build pressure?
Thinking about it, it's hard to maintain any hope that anything can cause the necessary change. Just like with gun control, climate change etc. — Echarmion
You have to understand that the police does the same thing in other countries as in the US. You don't have an Apartheid system or Jim Crow in place, what you have is a police culture and a society where this kind of behavior happens and is tolerated, not an open institutionalized harassment by the police what you have in totalitarian countries or earlier in South Africa. It really goes down to the culture of specific police departments as the police isn't an uniform single institution like the FBI.C'mon man, I just wrote you a whole thing about the specific function and employment of the police as a matter of social policy in the US and all you can muster up is 'there are police in every country?'. You can do better than that. — StreetlightX
You have to understand that the police does the same thing in other countries as in the US. — ssu
So far the status quo looks far better than anything you guys have offered. What a lost opportunity. — NOS4A2
the status quo — NOS4A2
So you think that the US so special, so different from anybody else, that any kind of comparison is useless? You don't think that other countries have minorities or poor people? That a large portion of the "customers" of the police are poor people?No it does not. I wrote a couple of paragraphs on it. Perhaps you can address what I said. — StreetlightX
Yes, I too reckon the trail of dead black bodies is perfectly OK.
Many times the real solution is just to form a new police department. Let everybody go, start from scratch.If having police brutality on camera doesn't end up making police accountable, the whole thing is rotten. — fdrake
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