Don't you need to know what is in the mind of the individual if they aren't using racial slurs to make it clear that it was racism? — Harry Hindu
If systematic racism were real, — Harry Hindu
A cop qua functioning node in a systemically racist system can't be good by definition. Only cops actively resisting the system could be. — Baden
Why are the other cops required to 'actively resist' the disproportionate effect of their institution's role on minorities in order to avoid charges of complicity? It seems an odd 'guilty by association' response. — Isaac
the point I was making was more like depending on how you frame it, the question "where are the good cops?"", is in a sense unfair. — Baden
Collective problems require - in fact can only be addressed by - collective action. Capitalism wins by means of social atomization. — StreetlightX
exist to have "their say."I've started this thread for the sole reason of allowing those who want to claim it [systemic racism in the US] doesn't — Baden
Had to look it up, this was what I found.The Grievance Studies Affair — DingoJones
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0162243920923087?journalCode=sthd#Despite claims to the contrary, the highly political, both ethically and methodologically flawed “experiment” failed to provide the evidence it sought. The experiences can be summed up as follows: (1) journals with higher impact factors were more likely to reject papers submitted as part of the project; (2) the chances were better, if the manuscript was allegedly based on empirical data; (3) peer reviews can be an important asset in the process of revising a manuscript; and (4) when the project authors, with academic education from neighboring disciplines, closely followed the reviewers’ advice, they were able to learn relatively quickly what is needed for writing an acceptable article. The boundary between a seriously written paper and a “hoax” gradually became blurred. Finally (5), the way the project ended showed that in the long run, the scientific community will uncover fraudulent practices.
https://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/05/poor_blacks_looking_for_someon.htmlThe "legacy of slavery" argument is not just an excuse for inexcusable behavior in the ghettos. In a larger sense, it is an evasion of responsibility for the disastrous consequences of the prevailing social vision of our times, and the political policies based on that vision, over the past half century. [...] The welfare state has led to remarkably similar trends among the white underclass in England over the same period. — Thomas Sowell
In short, systematic is used to describe the way a process is done, while systemic is used to describe something inside a system — tim wood
↪unenlightened This was very good. The more people hear and understand the impact of redlining, the better:
"The Federal Housing Administration institutionalized the system of discriminatory lending in government-backed mortgages, reflecting local race-based criteria in their underwriting practices and reinforcing residential segregation in American cities. The discriminatory practices captured by the HOLC maps continued until 1968, when the Fair Housing Act banned racial discrimination in housing.
But 50 years after that law passed, the lingering effects of redlining are clear, with the pattern of economic and racial residential segregation still evident in many U.S. cities — from Montgomery, Ala., to Flint, Mich., to Denver. Nationally, nearly two-thirds of neighborhoods deemed “hazardous” are inhabited by mostly minority residents, typically black and Latino, researchers found. Cities with more such neighborhoods have significantly greater economic inequality. On the flip side, 91 percent of areas classified as “best” in the 1930s remain middle-to-upper-income today, and 85 percent of them are still predominantly white".
It's possibly the biggest injustice in modern American history that almost goes totally unremarked upon. Not that it's all down to redlining of course. But gosh was it terrible (in fact it still exists). Unsurprisingly, it's roots are economic. — StreetlightX
Also, I referenced Sowell as an example of an academic who doesnt buy systemic racism to show that its not foolish to deny it exists. — DingoJones
In order to deny that the USA is still "a racist society" you have to also deny her well-documented, 231 year history of LEGAL slavery, segregation, militarism & incarcerationism, as pointed-out here, which is delusional and/or (deliberately) racist.In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be antiracist. — Angela Davis
The past is never dead. It's not even past. — William Faulkner
You also need to look up the difference between 'systemic' and 'systematic'. They're not the same thing. As I mentioned before, the objections to the idea that systemic racism exists tend to be based on misunderstandings about what's being talked about. — Baden
The misunderstanding is yours. As I already have stated, we have a system that favors blacks, as you need to have a certain the color of skin to obtain certain handouts paid for by all taxpayers, to say certain words that others can't, to ignore the plight of others in favor of the plight of "your people" as if "your people" matter more, and to make assumptions about individuals based on what clothes they wear (police uniforms) and the color of their skins (whites are racists).Systemic racism obtains when a system(s) function (regardless of explicit rules) to favour certain racial groups over others. — Baden
Is it not also well known that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites?Maybe you need to educate yourself on what systemic racism entails. If doesn't require overt acts of racism. That blacks are treated differently by police is well known. — Benkei
As I already have stated, we have a system that favors blacks, — Harry Hindu
Better question for this thread is, is questioning the existence of systemic racism in the US, an act of racism itself? — Benkei
As I already have stated, we have a system that favors blacks — Harry Hindu
Better question for this thread is, is questioning the existence of systemic racism in the US, an act of racism itself? — Benkei
Is it not also well known that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites?
If it is okay for blacks to use the fact that some police are corrupt to then make the assumption that all police are corrupt, then how is it not okay for police to assume that blacks commit crimes?
If it is wrong to make assumptions about an individual based on the interactions you've had, or heard about, with other individuals that share some characteristic, then it is wrong for others to do. — Harry Hindu
I would say it's a form of appeasement of it. I also think that many people will defend against the idea of systemic racism because acknowledging it would mean that their world view of individualistic free-will has problems. They do not defend their view with facts, but out of the necessity to deny any form of systemic or structure since their ideology cannot exist if such systems and structures exist.
For them, the very notion of a structure and systemic thing is an attack against their worldview, that's why they abandon facts and knowledge in favor of empty phrases and low-quality arguments. — Christoffer
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