Upsetting people is easy and people are selfish, you want to argue otherwise? — Judaka
No I agree systemic racism is pretty upsetting and if anyone gave a shit about their own self well-being they'd want to do everything in their power to see the end of it. — StreetlightX
As I stated in the post that you're responding to, public education is free for everyone and if you do well you can get a scholarship. There are so many different scholarships if you take the time to look. They're are even scholarships where the only qualification is that you have a particular color of skin - black.The idea of educational opportunity in the OP (from a thread merged into this one Nuke) is a good one, imo. But it should be for all, again in my opinion. And the need for it is clear as day to anyone with eyes to see. Begrudge/deprive a person the resources/education to support themselves and you have even explicitly made a choice to either kill them or support them yourself. Your choice. No other options. — tim wood
Your choice of words are so off the mark they fail to really exhibit the problem you are trying to get at.Y'know - even if it were entirely true that the mention of race "scares off" potential allies - — StreetlightX
As I stated in the post that you're responding to, public education is free for everyone and if you do well you can get a scholarship. — Harry Hindu
I take it you agree then that white men, compared to women and black people, were in fact not disenfranchised or discriminated against in any meaningful numbers? — Benkei
Are blacks supposed to be held to a different ethical standard than everyone else? If it is wrong to stereotype then it is wrong for everyone to stereotype which includes blacks stereotyping whites and police. — Harry Hindu
No I agree systemic racism is pretty upsetting and if anyone gave a shit about their own self well-being they'd want to do everything in their power to see the end of it. — StreetlightX
At the time I was thinking of the tenant farmers and sharecroppers who most definitely were disenfranchised and victims of an economic plan that did not benefit them. Both white and black were caught up in this. Which is why I regard the issue of racism more in terms of poverty. All races are victims of greed and financial manipulation. — Brett
My prediction is that they will not do as you think they should, but that it will likely be one of the other approaches. — Hanover
Exactly. Blacks are allowed to discriminate against whites and cops.Are blacks supposed to be held to a different ethical standard than everyone else? If it is wrong to stereotype then it is wrong for everyone to stereotype which includes blacks stereotyping whites and police.
— Harry Hindu
I find this deeply, deeply disingenuous - and thus either stupid/ignorant, or vicious. Discrimination is the point. — tim wood
Exactly. Blacks are allowed to discriminate against whites and cops. — Harry Hindu
You mentioned four possible future outcomes, and you rejected the first one as least probable, becausebut what do we see as the predicted outcome of the current awakening to racial inequities? Is it that people will do as you suggest and throw their very being into its elimination, or will they march while the marches take place and then go back to business as usual, or will they hold their breath until all this passes, or will they recommit to protecting the institution that they never thought racist in the first place?
My prediction is that they will not do as you think they should, but that it will likely be one of the other approaches — Hanover
Your first option may become much more probable if the momentum of the movementLeaving aside the question of how bad and systemic the problem truly is, unless you are the one oppressed, it is unlikely you will spend the time trying to resolve the problem, whatever it is. — Hanover
We're not taking about history. We're talking about right now. How many cops and how many whites in the United States are racist. Give me an exact number or at least a percentage. What is it?Where do you get "allowed to"? What exactly does that even mean? And keeping in mind my usage of
"discrimination," does it not seem to you that history tells us clearly that there is proper discrimination to be made by non-white persons about police and white people? — tim wood
It is not clear if another decisive result will be Trump’s re-election. — Number2018
The domination of systemic racismNo predictions are really clear. It's all speculation, but I really can't see middle America finding anything acceptable about defunding the police. In fact, there is tremendous support for the police nationwide. It's just been silenced for the moment. I don't even think the African American leadership is totally comfortable with these attacks on police departments. Most big cities are Democratically controlled, meaning the mayors and police chiefs are typically Democrats and oftentimes minority. I'm not fully convinced that even inner city minority citizens want to see police withdrawal from their communities, as I've heard their complaints in the past were that it took too long in their communities for the police to arrive, if at all. — Hanover
The domination of systemic racism
discourse makes Tramp's "Make America Great Again" rhetorics meaningless, so his campaign has to invent the different rhetorics asap. — Number2018
What Trump needs to do is double down on his MAGA platform, and he will. There will be zero Trump supporters who will change their vote due to what you see as a major change in ideology. — Hanover
These are some of the solutions in the Democrat bill. Notice how there isn't a qualifier that these only apply to blacks or police actions against blacks. It is an All Live Matters bill.Take for instance some of the solutions currently being proposed.
- Banning chokeholds
- Banning no-knock warrants
- Establish a national database to track police misconduct
- Lower legal standards to pursue criminal and civil penalties for police misconduct — Harry Hindu
How many cops and how many whites in the United States are racist. Give me an exact number or at least a percentage. What is it? — Harry Hindu
You keep making these accusations that blacks are legitimately scared of whites, but forget that far more blacks die at the hands of other blacks, and they are legitimately scared at their own race. — Harry Hindu
If you want to point the statistics that blacks are killed by cops and a higher percentage relative to their population, then you should also acknowledge that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate relative to their population. — Harry Hindu
We're not taking about history. We're talking about right now. How many cops and how many whites in the United States are racist. Give me an exact number or at least a percentage. What is it?
You keep making these accusations that blacks are legitimately scared of whites, but forget that far more blacks die at the hands of other blacks, and they are legitimately scared at their own race. If you want to point the statistics that blacks are killed by cops and a higher percentage relative to their population, then you should also acknowledge that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate relative to their population. — Harry Hindu
99.9%.
How many are still tRump supporters? At least that many.How many cops and how many whites in the United States are racist. — Harry Hindu
You're asking the same question. What percentage of cops are racist?That is a fallacious statistical request. You should look at the statistics of how cops act towards black people. — Christoffer
Evidence? No. I didn't think so. You surely would have provided it if you had it.How many are still tRump supporters? At least that many. — 180 Proof
Racist.99.9% — tim wood
He may say that he's part of the 0.1%. But it is still racist to generalize and stereotype individuals of any race. No matter what race you are.99.9% of white people are racist? Are you white? If so, then you're basically admitting that you're racist. Why should I listen to a racist on the subject of race relations? If you're not white then how do you know that virtually all whites are racist. — BitconnectCarlos
A stupid question deserves a stupid answer. And evidence? Well, MAGAt, you certainly qualify (as per your racist apologia post history). :shade:Evidence? — Harry Hindu
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