But the real attraction for this population is an escape from the self, — Monitor

Hey, good post Monitor. I'm all for heading in this direction. Perhaps this is a semantic quibble, but I would phrase it enlargement of the self. That is, by attaching our identity to some ideology, club, sports team, nation, ethnicity etc we transcend the smallness of the individual and then think of ourselves as something larger.

In my often stated view, this phenomena arises directly out of the nature of what we're all made of psychologically, thought. The evidence for that is that this tribal phenomena is seemingly universal, appearing in all times and places.

I think this is the primary reason that Trump voters ignore so many faults of the man. They have a power now that they never had before and they want to keep it. — Monitor

Well yes, that's called politics I think. :-) Trump is addressing, or at least pretending to address, issues that others largely ignore, and so he has won a following.

As example, what is the Democratic policy on immigration? Have any idea? Do we want the population of the US to grow? To shrink? To stay the same? Do we want to allow immigration based on need, or on ability to contribute? What is our game plan for controlling the border? Do we even want to have borders?

If a citizen doesn't wish for the US to become as populated as India or China, why would they choose Democrats? Have we expressed any concern at all, or even any interest, in the the fact the US population has doubled in my lifetime? Did you even know that? And if a citizen DOES want the US to become very populated, again why would they choose Democrats? In either case, in any case, what is our credible plan?

We have no plan. At least none that has been clearly articulated. And so by abandoning the field we leave it wide open for some hyper confident con man to win the day, because at least he has something to say on the issue.

You mean ignore Trump in so far as listening to him will only make it harder to try and relate to his base/followers? Is that right? — DingoJones

How would we respond to a chronic troll on the forum? Ok, first we would yell at him for awhile. Then we would see the pointlessness of the yelling and would proceed to the next step, denying the troll that which he most craves, attention.

Trump wants us to yell at him, based on a philosophy that all publicity is good publicity, a strategy that may have (not entirely sure here) been crafted by Roger Stone the long time Republican dirty trickster.

So when we yell about and at Trump, we're doing exactly what he wants us to do. We're keeping the spotlight on Trump, and feeding the polarization machine he needs to keep his base fired up. Trump needs his base to be fired up because they are a minority of the population. But if they vote more than we do because they're fired up, they can be a majority of the voters.

In any case, Trump voters are the real power we should be addressing. After Trump is gone they will still be there. And if we keep ignoring their concerns and calling them idiots they will find somebody else to vote for other than us.

Yeah, I don't agree. Is that ok?

If I support Trump, I'm an outcast. Then I'm afriad that you don't deserve a voice in politics.

You would threaten people with force for support of a right wing party; isn't the philosophy of that as simple as a left bias? Is outcasting Trump supporters maturity? If you look at the comment section on all Trumps tweets, you get spammers saying lies; if you watch CNN, you get anti Trump lies. Here, on philosophy forum, you get lies and left bias. There is no truth or righteousness to all these claims you've made.

You've said(something along the lines of) 'Trump supporters are bad, demonize them' - you have not provided any reason for demonization other than, 'they support Trump'.

People have the right to vote Trump, if they want, and are not demons for doing so.

Trump has only succeeded, even in the coronavirus matter - if thought about logically. It was a poor start but the pandemic was hard to forsee. In response to 'Trump has succeeded' you'll probably say 'no he has not' with no reason. Assuming you militant leftists are not angelic, above all other minds, I'll stick with my right wing vote.

You are clearly non-whites who want to see the west fall.

Yo fuck this forum it's so perverse.

For plaguing or threatening to plague the more healthy part of the world and punishing whites, you will one day find yourself burning, or being chopped up.

Taking Nuke’s advise...

You are clearly non-whites who want to see the west fall. — rec

Hello, rec, and welcome to the forum. That’s a valid point and indeed I am myself a quarter Mexican. My inclination to wish western downfall is of course based on a bad case of TDS. Know any good therapists?

I'm sorry we're not racist enough for you. Try the Breitbart comment section maybe?

Banned in the midsts of my rapport building. :sad:

We are traumatised.

Who represents us?

A hate-filled narcissist fantasist.

Hate Trump, hate the American voter. But your hate cannot match his or ours because you are too reasonable. Understand, or lose again.

After Trump is gone they will still be there. And if we keep ignoring their concerns and calling them idiots they will find somebody else to vote for other than us. — Nuke

:up:

Just to let you folks know, the left has again demonstrated its moral superiority, this time by putting little statues of Trump in NYC for dogs to pee on.



Way to go democrats, that shows who is in the wrong doesnt it. Maybe its time to do way with all the moral righteousness anyway and just reduce it to pure hatred. Seems to be working for the black community.

Oh, the humanity.

Know the Signs: How to Tell if Your Grandparent Has Become an Antifa Agent

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/10/know-signs-how-tell-if-your-grandparent-has-become-an-antifa-agent/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

The artist stated that he doesn't "want the dogs of Manhattan to feel left out of the pee party." Seems pretty decent of him.

Humiliating Trump in effigy is the consolation prize for those who cannot do it in reality. All they can do is preach to the choir with their little crafts.

Humiliating Trump in effigy is the consolation prize for those who cannot do it in reality. — NOS4A2

Don't be too confident. Reality is not yet finished with Trump.

Your sure there's not actually a Pro-Trump superpac behind it? If this is reported extensively by Fox and One America News Network, it might be...

I wonder: Is DJT "the last president of the Confederacy"?

Do you believe in meliorism?

:death: :flower:

↪180 Proof Do you believe in meliorism? — Monitor

Only contingency, not 'progress'. I'm an absurdist bricoleur bluesman. Like "Didi & Gogo". The only sense 'tikkun olam' makes to me/us is struggle-in-solidarity.

I'm doing well. I only had to look up three things in your answer. :smile:

What is this thread doing skulking about on the second page? Is it because Trump said a sane thing over the weekend?

What is this thread doing skulking about on the second page? Is it because Trump said a sane thing over the weekend? — ZzzoneiroCosm

As if.

"If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any."

At least his nominee to the Supreme Court surprised people with the court decision with Bostock v. Clayton County. The one that didn't create a huge fuss about his youth when he was picked by Trump.

And Donald didn't complain about it. That's a point for Donald.

if.

"If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any." — Michael

Certainly not everything he said over the weekend was sane.

Trump called journalists 'scumbags' who should be 'executed,' according to John Bolton's new book

Trump asked China’s Xi to help him win reelection, according to Bolton book

Trump didn't know that Britain was a nuclear power and inquired if Finland was part of Russia, according to John Bolton's bombshell memoir

Trump was willing to halt criminal investigations as 'favor' to dictators, Bolton book says

Trump backed Xi over concentration camps for Uighur Muslims, ex-aide Bolton claims

Trump said it would be 'cool' to invade Venezuela because the country is 'really part of the United States,' according to John Bolton's new book

Trump told China's authoritarian leader that Americans want him to change the US Constitution so he can serve more than 2 terms, according to John Bolton's new book

Trump cared little about North Korea's nuclear weapons and treated Kim Jong-un summit as publicity exercise, Bolton says

Quite a lot to unpack here.

Bolton's book will simply just reinforce the well drawn picture of what kind of disaster this person totally inept for the job is. I've never noticed them (books about President Trump) being different in this way from each other...they all tell the same story.

And yeah, people don't know that we aren't part of Russia. Who would have known? (So that's why he was so nice to us Finns!)

[ Not to deflect but these things are egregious and Bolton never thought to whistleblow but instead wrote a book about it? Why?

Money.

Trump Claims Bolton Is Both Lying and Spreading Classified Information

Which bits are which? Or is it all both lies and classified?

NYT book review: "exceedingly tedious and slightly unhinged"