How can you prove God doesn't exist when you can't even explain the nature of your own existence? — 3017amen
I agree with Devon's ...nothing more to say is there? — 3017amen
Have you ever heard the term 'dipolar' God? Theoretical physicist Davies argues that in his book the Mind of God. It combines logical necessity with contingency. An unchanging timeless being (required for the notion of what caused the Big Bang/what was God doing prior to it) combined with openness and freedom of say, QM or quantum physics (double slit experiment, etc.). — 3017amen
Gee, well, something exists!! LOL — 3017amen
The idea of superposition - that one thing could sort of be in two places at the same time - does not sit well with me. I prefer to think as matter as a spread out wave of energy that collapses to a very small wave when we measure it. Something being in two places at the same time - no way is that possible is my gut reaction. — Devans99
dipolar God — 3017amen
Not really, there is a lot of data available for quantum weirdness.... — A Seagull
Not sure I'm following you there. — 3017amen
Yes, please provide a ToE or otherwise your theory of causation!! — 3017amen
We can see Nature and that it Rules. It sent a plague of locusts in Africa that blotted out the sun, 100 degrees F in Siberia, a killer virus, and even Trump…
If you want an Invisible Person to rule, He needs to conform to exactly what Nature does, which doesn't really add anything to Nature's natural goings on — PoeticUniverse
Yet, the timeless needs be everything, which thus has to be all-at-once and ever, such as in a superposition — PoeticUniverse
You have to put yourself in the mind of Thomas - this was before the discovery of biological evolution and they still thought the earth was the centre of the universe. I think he made very reasonable conclusions with the amount of evidence he was working with. — Devans99
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Aquinas ended each of his arguments with variations of, "And this we all call God."
If he had ended his arguments logically...he would have written, "And this we all accept as an unknown."
— Frank Apisa
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I do not think anyone here begrudges you [Devans99] any belief you happen to believe in, but you have been offering them as substantive for really a long time across many threads in what amounts to a long-term one-note samba of nonsense.
— tim wood
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Well I prefer to make a rough estimate rather than just saying 'I don't know'.
— Devans99
Either you don't know that you don't know (Dunning-Kruger effect) or you know you don't know and lack the integrity, or honesty, to admit it; so which is it, Devans?
And your counter argument?
— Devans99
You've not made a sound, or evidentiary, argument for the 'existence of g/G' yet (as tim wood, Banno, I et al have established), which brings Hitchens' Razor comes to mind:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
— duly Hitchslaps Devon99 — 180 Proof
Some guess there is a GOD.
Some guess there are GODS.
Some guess there are no gods. — Frank Apisa
Not sure what to say - causality is about as good an axiom as it comes - but there is no way we can be 100% sure that it holds universally - so I have to hedge my bets - all I can say is there is almost certainly a timeless first cause. — Devans99
Firstly, the contents of argument tells me it's deductive - first cause arguments usually are - but then your conclusion has an obvious inductive character given away by the phrase "almost certainly" — TheMadFool
Was conscious existence caused from chaos? — 3017amen
But we do know some things, and "atemporal mind" ain't it (by all available evidence it's incoherent nonsense). — jorndoe
Timelessness — Devans99
We only know [...] You are ruling out [...] — Devans99
The closest in the literature seems to be abstract objects.
Labeling those "deities" or "God" would be a radical departure from religions though. — jorndoe
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