So for example (and I'm not against it) for years people though homosexuality was wrong now seen as being right, why because of power, the minority has finally gained a strong enough foothold amongst the populous to assert their right. — Gitonga
Hence why I'm saying objectively it is not right or wrong nothing is. It doesn't matter what anyone's (or any societies) moral view is its whether they have the power to back up their view or not. — Gitonga
But that's what I'm saying morality is not an objective fact like science is... It's not a physical object.. How do I word this... Morality is not like a car which you can say is faster or smaller than another car. Morality is a matter of perspective and opinion. — Gitonga
Tell me how can you prove something is objectively right or objectively wrong morally speaking outside of one's opinion? — Gitonga
It does cause with the examples I gave I tried to show that the position of morality has changed but that neither position can be objectively true because the strength or success of each position is merely determined by the power behind it. — Gitonga
I don't understand as in that's what I've asked you to prove cause I've said there are ni objective moral facts.. Like what you quoted is what you need to prove cause I've said the opposite of that — Gitonga
You neglect - omit - the "power" of knowledge.there is only power and power is what determines — Gitonga
I believe this definition - and I am a great appreciator of defining - is at the very best inadequate. That inadequacy comes into sharper focus in looking more closely at "successfully defend one's own interests." Even with Socrates we learn that "self-interest" is not as simple as it might at first seem.Power is defined as the ability to successfully defend one's own interests. — Gitonga
might decides what is right and what is wrong you might think it doesn't but it does when you realise only the mightier can decide what is right or wrong.. Like you might think a dictatorship is wrong but that's only cause you come from a democratic nation that's stronger but if the dictatorship was string enough guess what? You get a monarchy! And suddenly it's all hail the king
With the sword I was giving an example of a sword vs a shield.. You're comparing apples to oranges. I'm not comparing maths to a sword because they don't have similar opposing goals. The comparison only works in that way — Gitonga
not obedience we're talking morally right — Gitonga
I'm saying there are no objective morals outside of enforced moral opinions — Gitonga
you're the one that's not proven that there are
You're shifting the burden of proof. If you want to argue that morality isn't objective then you need to set out the premises that lead to this conclusion. It isn't enough just to say that I can't prove that morality is objective. — Michael
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