Why, apart from the fact that it conveniently fits your neoliberal mythology, have you then given primacy to just one of those factors? — Isaac
Because it's what grounds western civilization - it grounds our legal system and the entire notion of the individual in society. — BitconnectCarlos
How are we suppose to judge someone if we don't believe in self-responsibility? — BitconnectCarlos
Really? So your argument for why you think it should be that way is "that's the way it is". Conservative philosophy in a nutshell. — Isaac
Oh, ...I don't, know...with an iota of compassion maybe? — Isaac
So far, it is too early to make any predictions. Some people noted that one of the tangible results of the ongoing protests is the intensification of political correctness. All in all, it could function as an efficient vehicle of symbolic violence. As a result, the establishment may successfully manipulate the public opinion and suppress any serious discussion and critical discourse necessary for resolving systemic problems. — Number2018
No, my point is that it rationally grounds western civilization. You need to work on your reading comprehension, no offense. — BitconnectCarlos
Are you compassionate towards Jeffrey Dahmer? Bundy? There are people who had compassion towards them - young women, mostly. They understood these men. — BitconnectCarlos
Why the fuck are we talking about Ted Bundy? @BitconnectCarlos The topic is "Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?" I hope that at some point you get around to answering that. Thank you.
Ok, it's nice to know that you'd consider that if you or a family member were assaulted by an angry minority who was angry about racial injustice that it would just be a distraction. Thank you. — BitconnectCarlos
Violence conducted by cops or whites towards blacks matters, but violence conducted by minorities towards business-owners or whatnot - is just a distraction — BitconnectCarlos
Violence conducted by cops or whites towards blacks matters, but violence conducted by minorities towards business-owners or whatnot - is just a distraction. — BitconnectCarlos
Are you suggesting that we have absolutely no means at our disposal to assess the degree to which someone's actions are constrained by their circumstances? That, when faced with the starving child stealing a loaf of bread and the bored celebrity shoplifting a pair of sunglasses, we have nothing to tell the difference in responsibility between the two? — Isaac
Why the fuck are we talking about Ted Bundy? @BitconnectCarlos The topic is "Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?" I hope that at some point you get around to answering that. Thank you.
I'm happy to acknowledge mitigating circumstances. — BitconnectCarlos
You must separately justify the degree to which you absolve, or even just sympathise with, people due to those mitigating circumstances.
I agree with you. There are different attempts to frame the current protest. One of them is that we indeed deal with a revolutionary situation that could lead to the fundamental systemic changes. In contrast to this narrative, the establishment has tried to be ahead of the events so far. It provides the protests with the media and the public opinion’ support. Yet, a few revolutions, followed by the drastic systemic changes, started from the elitist upheaval. The ongoing event can acquire its own dynamics and get out of any possible control.nobody can predict the future. But any systemic solution to the systemic problems would have to involve some kind economic rearrangement and redistribution... intensification of political correctness is just more cosmetics that don't go to the heart of the problem. And I just don't see them voluntarily going against their (economic) interest. — ChatteringMonkey
it needs to be judged on an individual, case-by-case basis. — BitconnectCarlos
Support from majority of the people to do something about the issue has made the the media and politicians respond to these issues. Even from Trump we got a "police reform". But I'm not so sure how dramatic the changes will be in the long run. Some here think there's a huge transformation underway, yet I'm not yet sure about it. It's positive though.So what do you think of the current situation? Will be there the significant improvement of the systemic problems? What could make the current protest unique is the broad support of the mainstream media, the considerable part of the political elite, and big corporations. — Number2018
There is a significant number of officers in the LAPD who repetitively use excessive force against the public and persistently ignore the written guidelines of the department regarding force.
The failure to control these officers is a management issue that is at the heart of the problem. The documents and data that we have analyzed have all been available to the department; indeed, most of this information came from that source. The LAPD's failure to analyze and act upon these revealing data evidences a significant breakdown in the management and leadership of the Department. The Police Commission, lacking investigators or other resources, failed in its duty to monitor the Department in this sensitive use of force area. The Department not only failed to deal with the problem group of officers but it often rewarded them with positive evaluations and promotions.
Today, the LAPD is still battling demons, though these seem to come more in the form of "lone wolf" bad cops than systemic malfeasance. There is still some hemming and hawing over the issuing of department-wide mandatory body cams, which seem an inevitability for departments around the country at this point. The LAPD is, as far as one can tell, striving for accountability.
As union leader and police veteran Craig Lilly noted in a 2015 press conference, "We're still just one crisis away from people saying, 'See? There's the old LAPD again.'"
Why is it impossible to judge someone as an individual? ...There's literally video of Logan Paul, a multi-millionaire youtube personality, going through a mall in Phoenix with other rioters — BitconnectCarlos
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