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Only 24% consider it a metaphysical possibility which is a much weaker claim than saying consciousness doesn’t exist. — Kmaca
- even so, 24% is problematic.Believing in the possibility of p-zombies doesn't necessarily mean disbelieving in consciousness. — Kenosha Kid
Irreducible consciousness might be what you've heard of. This is basically saying the soul doesn't exist, and that consciousness (as in the self, as opposed to consciousness that the ball is red) is a non-elementary function of certain systems in certain states. Anyone who ever said consciousness didn't exist was presumably labouring under the impression that their words could be seen or heard, i.e. that consciousness was in fact real. — Kenosha Kid
We don't understand it, so a commitment to your current scientific practices — Snakes Alive
If one says consciousness is a result of neurons interaction and that there's no magic, I wouldn't call it a ridiculous statement — Eugen
But denying the existence of the 1st person experiences is ridiculous, illogic, and self-contradictory, and I would be really worried about the mental sanity of the person who claimed that. — Eugen
If someone claims that first person events are equivalent to neural events then... — fdrake
So denying the intrinsic aspect of reality just because science does not explain the intrinsic part, it's purely childish — Eugen
- even so, 24% is problematic — Eugen
If all you want to do is throw names around, it's pretty childish to dismiss a well researched body of work when you've not put in even a little effort into understanding their claims. — fdrake
But it isn't 24%. 24% believe p-zombies are possible. — Kenosha Kid
Unless you believe that consciousness as a system function isn't consciousness. — Kenosha Kid
Ok, I wasn't right, but still 24% is absolutely massive and I simply cannot understand how rational people can sustain such a crazy idea. I wouldn't be shocked if a guy on heroine said that, but stating that we are bot conscious is not only crazy, but also anti-scientific. To do science, you need to be consciouss! How could one trust science so nuch if they doubt their own existence? For me, this is just absurd! — Eugen
David Chalmers, a staunch dualist, — Mr Bee
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