if there's any actual truth it must be objective, — Pfhorrest
I don't understand what objective morality means. — Gregory
I don't understand what objective morality means. — Gregory
This general applicability might be taken to look like objectivity. It is however quite different. — Banno
"My truth" is just a recognition that the way I perceive things which is true for me internally is not necessarily true externally. — Judaka
Check against observations? — Pfhorrest
That's making justification consensus-based, not truth. — Banno
Here's an analysis that is not the subject/object distinction, but which runs in a similar vein.
That I like vanilla is a fact about me. I don't expect that you also like vanilla. It's not a moral preference.
My "preference" for not kicking puppies is different to my preference for vanilla precisely in that I do expect you not to kick puppies. Hence what characterises moral statements is that they are taken to apply generally.
This general applicability might be taken to look like objectivity. It is however quite different. — Banno
I decided not to go down that path in this thread. — Banno
the religious takeover of morality (with its ideas of original sin) has caused two perhaps completely separate aspects of psychology to be lumped under one term — Isaac
It's the view eviscerated in the first part of Philosophical Investigations. — Banno
It is apparently simple to hijack this system to get people talking about things with no objective reality, with no means of establishing or querying objective truth, and with apparent consistency. — Kenosha Kid
Objectivity is just the absence of bias, as subjectivity is bias. If the two of you have shared experiences to refer to, then that is all you need for objectivity enough for the two of you. And total objectivity is just the limit of that process: what accounting for more and more sharable experiences converges toward. We can’t ever finish that process, but there being an objective truth just means that that process converges toward something. — Pfhorrest
My "preference" for not kicking puppies is different to my preference for vanilla precisely in that I do expect you not to kick puppies. Hence what characterises moral statements is that they are taken to apply generally. — Banno
I see value in moving past the illusion of "truth" entirely. — Adam's Off Ox
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