Is there something in that system that suggests certain racial groups should be policed heavier than others? — NOS4A2
If I understand you correctly it records and discriminates on the basis of race — NOS4A2
And if it wasn't written into law, and business did it on their own discretion...?If it was written into a law, and explicitly discriminates on these grounds, I would say it is. — NOS4A2
especially if it is built into the algorithm, — NOS4A2
My unawareness was in regards to the existence of explicitly racial policies in America, which may exist beyond what I know. — NOS4A2
the response is going to be much different, its going to justify social control. — DingoJones
So mis-labelling the problem as systemic racism will result in unjustified social control. — DingoJones
The Black Lives Matter founders freely admit and our proud to say that they are “trained Marxists”. — DingoJones
White privilege” is a bullshit term too — DingoJones
Same with the way “racism” is now defined as “prejudice plus power”, a bullshit definition so people can be openly racist and not have to worry about being called a racist. — DingoJones
Im not a white person, — DingoJones
Ok. I’m quite familiar with people who are of color that promote white supremacist rhetoric and although I am not identifying you as one, you’re talking points are dangerously close to the rhetoric they espouse. — Anaxagoras
I find this characterisation offensive. Thats not what Im doing. Good day sir. — DingoJones
It would be doing much the same thing if it didn't record the ethnicity of the people "it" samples. It has a tendency to concentrate policing effort based on race regardless of whether it records ethnicity data. So long as the people "tested" for criminality are black or poor or from neighbourhood X, it allocates police effort more to black neighbourhoods (like or near X) over time. The algorithm "figures out" black=criminal from what it's fed and how it tells police to feed it.
That's the crucial thing though, a supposedly race indifferent algorithm does pick up on real correlations (poverty + nonwhite proportion in neighbourhood + crime rate). Those correlations it picks up are manifestations of systemic racism.
You find the same thing when you try making hiring work through a machine learning algorithm for assessing applicant competence, it picks up on systemic effects in the training data and enforces them through its predictions; the algorithm ends up a racist misogynist.
When was the last year that you would agree that systemic racism existed in the US?
And then ask yourself why you were so sure what I was saying was bullshit. — DingoJones
Recognise how closed off you’ve become to anything that doesnt fit your comfy narrative. — DingoJones
I didnt repeat right wing or white supremest talking points — DingoJones
I got that right from the BLM co-founder. — DingoJones
Now ask yourself about the other things I said, and instead of operating under the presumption im some sort of uncle tom race traitor or a white supremest based on words that trigger you try operating under the presumption that i might (might...thats a low bar) be saying something true or worth hearing. — DingoJones
If a white supremest says the sky is blue, and I say the sky is blue does that mean Im repeating white supremest talking points? — DingoJones
Its not ok to group someone in with evil people just because they say something youre not comfortable hearing, and thats what I found offensive. — DingoJones
I need you to cite a source not "I got that from the BLM founder" however, I found what you claimed according to the New York Post: — Anaxagoras
My apologies for this long post for the sake of preventing misunderstanding I hope you read it all. — Anaxagoras
Would you be able to give a brief explanation of the last time period where you would agree that police in many areas across the US treated the races differently? Surely you at least acknowledge that this was a problem in the past yes?
But absent those laws and institutions it becomes difficult to indict the system for racism. — NOS4A2
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