I don't care. One life lesson I learned is that paying less attention to ideologues is good for your mental health. — Wheatley
Nothing you say is going to convince them otherwise, that's why they are called idealogues. Call them out for what they are, and do everything you can to stop their unethical behavior.If you don't pay attention to idealogues, what are you going to do when they come to your house or your town to set the place on fire, pull down statues, and take over neighborhoods by force, with the acquiescence of the local politicians? I'ma barf. — fishfry
I'm perfectly safe where I am. — Wheatley
That's only your point of view. It might be in your interest to keep NYC police department fully funded, but don't expect everyone to be on board. They give their reasons for the police budget cuts, you may not agree with their reasons, but that's what politics is about.That's 17% of the NYC police department's budget at a time when homicides and other violent crimes are exploding. And the new "bail is unfair" movement means that violent criminals are set free the day they're arrested. Plenty of links if you feel like doing the research. — fishfry
Lucky for you there are idealogues on the other side sticking up for your interests.You say you're safe from this insanity and I hope you're right, and I hope I'm safe too. How insane will these idealogues, as you call them, get before none of us are safe? — fishfry
I'm not going tell you about my personal life on a public forum. All I'll say is this: I have no power to do anything about all this instability. I might as well worry about other things. There are plenty of people who do worry about it and have the power, and I think they'll get on just fine. I'm not going to have any impact on this debate, let's be honest.Ok I'm really done you can definitely have the last word but how can you say you're safe from all this? Don't you follow the news? — fishfry
A caravan of protesters —some wielding plastic pitchforks— descended on the Hamptons Wednesday to blast the rich and decry the nation’s rising income inequality.Pitchfork-wielding protesters descend on wealthy Hamptons estates — fishfry
It has happened before but revolutions do not come out as those who fight them hope because they go into them to destroy the existing power and do not have a plan for destroying power, so when the fighting is over, those who understand power take over, and at first people are glad for their leadership, then they realize it is not the leadership they want. — Athena
The American revolution began as an intellectual revolution and that needs to be repeated to get a good outcome to a revolution. — Athena
I read Chomsky a while ago. Please correct me if I misunderstand or misinterpreted him.If you'd like to know where to start, read your Chomsky. — fishfry
Culture wars is a trap that we have fallen in for. — ssu
How would you define the unfolding
event in the US? — Number2018
what better time to pull down a statue of George Washington and set in on fire. — ssu
Don't you think that pulling down statues of Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln would perfectly fitBut likely it will be even worse. If you think this is the low point, you will be surprised how more low and stupid it can get. — ssu
Don't you think that pulling down statues of Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln would perfectly fit to the situation of a culture war? — Number2018
Do you think that these two groups of stereotypes and their supporters do initiate the current cultural conflict? If not, we need to find the divisive imperative. It is not clear if it is possible to single out the primary determinant. Can the ongoing debate about racial inequality function in such a manner? Does it leave room for neutrality or reticence in American society? Do people have to choose between opposite views on American history, the symbolic significance of the familiar cultural landscape, the acceptable limits of violence during protests, the legitimacy of certain political discourses, etc.? If yes, there is Hunter's culture war situation: " The actual diversity of attitude, opinion, and belief in the general population is not reflected in the kind of artificially polarized rhetoric of the special purpose groups … Plurality is reduced to duality; polyphony is quickly reduced to a crude, hackneyed, and discordant diaphone."I was hoping this thread would be more on the culture war between what I'd colloquially term the "Silicon Valley Libertarian" and the "Social Justice Warrior" stereotypes, reckoned "right" and "left" respectively, though inaccurately. — Pfhorrest
From what philosophical position can you articulate your judgement?both sides are philosophically wrong in one way about factual matters and philosophically wrong in the opposite way about normative matters, — Pfhorrest
From what philosophical position can you articulate your judgement? — Number2018
I think the “right” “Silicon Valley Libertarian” does the top pattern with regards to norms and the bottom pattern, to a lesser extent, with an elitist lean, with regards to facts.
Meanwhile the “left” “Social Justice Warrior” does the top pattern with regards to facts and the bottom pattern, to a lesser extent, with a populist lean, with regards to norms. — Pfhorrest
Do you understand the current situation in the US as the beginning of the next revolution?
Any 'successful' revolution was led by an organized group that could articulate a clear ideological agenda and establish new forms of power and societal life. Do we deal with a similar situation now? — Number2018
I was hoping this thread would be more on the culture war between what I'd colloquially term the "Silicon Valley Libertarian" and the "Social Justice Warrior" stereotypes, reckoned "right" and "left" respectively, though inaccurately. (The true right is the worst of both, and the true left the best of both).
That's a much more philosophical culture war, as both sides are philosophically wrong in one way about factual matters and philosophically wrong in the opposite way about normative matters, but they've got which kind of wrong they are about which direction of fit reversed from each other. (And also a populist vs elitist leaning in one of their kinds of wrongness each, hence the left vs right gloss they get painted with).
Maybe I should start a different thread on that, if anyone's interested. — Pfhorrest
Don't you think that pulling down statues of Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln would perfectly fit
to the situation of a culture war? And, there would be the division of people into the two camps:
in favor of and against. Still, it is not clear how pulling down these statues is caused by the above combination.
You could add burning the American flag and destroying other symbols of the US -
will the union survive after all? — Number2018
the philosophical foundations of being ‘right’ and being ‘left.’ — Number2018
am thinking may be I don't belong here at all? Which one objects to the notion that a cooperation is an individual? Which one is againt monopolies and would return things like banking and the media to several small owners? Which one understands what bureaucratic organization has to do with the shift of power from power of the people to power of the state? I am really sorry but I am very ignorant of philosophy and I don't understand what it has to do with political and economic power or lack of it. — Athena
Sorry, I'm not following how this related to the bit you're responding to. In any case, political philosophy is all about the analysis of power and authority. I'd be happy to explain more if you have some more specific questions, I just don't know where to go from here.
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