nono, don't deflect. We'll deal with what I said (which you again misread) after is it clear you are talking out of your ass when you say "self-avowed marxists start disrupting families". That's neither their goal or something they've done.

Can you admit you misrepresented BLM on that point?

disrupting families through their make-believe “villages”, I see trouble. — NOS4A2

Can you provide a source for your implied claim that BLM want villages to replace nuclear families?

Alright, I was just reading through this paper.

"[The BLM organization/movement] disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

Earlier they say this:

"We see ourselves as part of the global Black family..."

It seems to me that while they're not seeking to immediately eliminate the nuclear family, they are seeking to expand it - and arguably weaken it. This last part about "weakening" is controversial, it's gonna depend where you stand politically, but they themselves use the term "disrupt." Previously, socialist or communist regimes have sought to destroy the nuclear family through rhetoric involving its expansion (e.g. the village raises the kid.)

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

When self-avowed marxists... — NOS4A2

What does Karl Marx have to do with an activist movement with no centralized local leader?

The phrase "Black Lives Matter" can refer to a Twitter hashtag, a slogan, a social movement, or a loose confederation of groups advocating for racial justice. As a movement, Black Lives Matter is decentralized, and leaders have emphasized the importance of local organizing over national leadership.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Nowhere do I see the word “replace”.

Where does Karl Marx have to do with an activist movement with no centralized local leader?

When the founder calls her and her co-founders “trained marxists”, I take them at their word.

Nowhere do I see the word “replace”.

Then why would you say “replace”?

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. — BLM

I don't think they will begrudge you your nuclear family. It seems to me everybody is welcome provided they support freedom and justice.

What does Karl Marx have to do with an activist movement with no centralized local leader? — Wheatley

In what way does the beliefs of a movements founders not “have to do” with the movement? I would think it would have quite a lot to do with the movement, so please explain that ine to me sir.

I got that impression from you!

In what way does the beliefs of a movements founders not “have to do” with the movement? I would think it would have quite a lot to do with the movement, so please explain that ine to me sir. — DingoJones

Because of the decentralized nature of the movement. The founders dissolved their own leadership.

When the founder calls her and her co-founders “trained marxists”, I take them at their word. — NOS4A2

What is a trained Marxist?

They couldn’t replace it if they tried. My contention is that they are preaching dangerous nonsense, none of which has to do with police violence or racism.

What is a trained Marxist?

God knows.

God knows — NOS4A2

Is it scary?

They couldn’t replace it if they tried. My contention is that they are preaching dangerous nonsense, none of which has to do with police violence or racism. — NOS4A2

I think you are overstating the dangers even if you believe it is nonesense.

When self-avowed marxists start disrupting families through their make-believe “villages”, I see trouble. — NOS4A2

Seriously? You don't just have a problem with black lives mattering, you have a problem with an oppressed people having support networks?!? Or is this like a "gay marriage will ruin marriage" thing where you believe that black people having support networks will somehow make your white family (I'm confident that you're white) dissolve?

This whole debate is very stupid.

So now the founders beliefs have nothing to do with the movement?
If the KKK grand wizard, a self proclaimed KKK-racist, founded a movement and then decentralised his leadership you would say his self proclaimed KKK racist beliefs wouldn't be relevant to the movement? You wouldnt be suspicious of that movement?

answer the question https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/431583

Is it scary?

No, it just hints at the ideological undertones of the organization.

I think you are overstating the dangers even if you believe it is nonesense.

Perhaps. But I believe family stability is important to the health, wealth, and well-being of individuals.

So now the founders beliefs have nothing to do with the movement?
If the KKK grand wizard, a self proclaimed KKK-racist, founded a movement and then decentralised his leadership you would say his self proclaimed KKK racist beliefs wouldn't be relevant to the movement? You wouldnt be suspicious of that movement? — DingoJones

Okay, the founders have something do have to do with the movement. I’ll give you that.

Do you blieve that the KKK and BLM are equivalent in anyway?

Seriously? You don't just have a problem with black lives mattering, you have a problem with an oppressed people having support networks?!? Or is this like a "gay marriage will ruin marriage" thing where you believe that black people having support networks will somehow make your white family (I'm confident that you're white) dissolve?

None of the above.

None of the above. — NOS4A2

Then in what sense do you find such support networks troubling?

Perhaps. But I believe family stability is important to the health, wealth, and well-being of individuals. — NOS4A2

It’s fine to believe that.

No, it just hints at the ideological undertones of the organization. — NOS4A2

Good.

Then in what sense do you find such support networks troubling?

I don’t think BLM can operate as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, namely because it isn’t an extended family or village that collectively cares for one another.

oh, so they "disrupt families" and at the same time you don't think they "can operate as extended families"? Inconsistent much? You're such a shill for the Trump camp it's getting pathetic.

I do remember reading this paper on how ready various countries are to face a pandemic (done some years ago) and it basically gave the highest marks for the US. It's in the net, but I don't remember it now to give a link.

But who would have known that primary rudimentary actions to prevent a pandemic from spreading, like trying to contain it at start, wearing face masks, would become a deely political issue? Perhaps few that follow US politics closely would have forecasted that, but they don't work on the medical field. Besides, they would have had it difficult in making the argument that all the premade plans done years ago in multiple administrations would be put aside at the crucial time when a global pandemic strikes.

I don’t think BLM can operate as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, namely because it isn’t an extended family or village that collectively cares for one another. — NOS4A2

Okay so according to your information (whatever that is), the BLM virtual village isn't a thing. So why do you find it troubling if it isn't happening? This isn't amounting to a coherent position, even an ugly one.

oh, so they "disrupt families" and at the same time you don't think they "can operate as extended families"? Inconsistent much? You're such a shill for the Trump camp it's getting pathetic.

I guess it's a good thing I don't respect your opinion. Like I said, I think they're preaching dangerous nonsense. Rather I think they should be championing the family as the best support network for children.

It does seem a little strange to me how BLM focuses exclusively on violence committed towards black people by the state, but their statement neglects to mention black-on-black violence which accounts for many more victims. It's honestly not even close. In 2019 you had 336 unarmed black men killed by police - even if we include armed black men we're getting 1609 total. If we're talking about the black on black homicide rate I think we're getting around 8-9,000 yearly black homicide victims with the vast majority killed by other blacks.