Are the statues of Confederate generals put up around 1900 important historical artifacts to you? — Echarmion
Which ended up in cannibalism, btw.All in all, China was primarily an agricultural country where the vast majority of the population had the traditional, ancient culture and style of life. Mao mobilized “cultural revolutionaries” to accelerate the country and tighten his grip on power. — Number2018
Fishfry is correct. There is an American culture war going. And no, it's not like in China.Likely, what we deal with right now, is not ‘a culture war’ or ‘a cultural revolution.’ If our culture, our symbolic order, has not been maintained via ‘traditional symbolic means,’ our ‘cultural revolution’ has already happened. — Number2018
Fishfry is correct. There is an American culture war going. And no, it's not like in China. — ssu
Is this all really an urgent problem as fishfry says? I think that it is. — ssu
It's very difficult to articulate something that is a longer process, something that takes years even decades to happen. To articulate something you basically have to have a narrative of something that is happening. That narrative only emerges from history. From history we get things like that there was a "Cold War between two Superpowers". Of the present that is hard to agree simply because only in hindsight we know what happened.As far as I see, there is a principal difficulty: we do not know how to articulate the ongoing crisis in the US. — Number2018
For most the pandemic isn't a problem.For most people there is no problem at all. Why? — Number2018
These people (and some of you posters here) have worms in your brain, just chomping away. — Maw
We noticed.Did that already on page 6 — Maw
We noticed. — ssu
And that you think that "cancel culture" is a fundamental component of liberal democracy (except when it's an Amazon worker leading a protest or something I gather). — ssu
the whole term, (which is extremely goofy, by the way) is primarily a concern for people of a certain class or occupation or politico-ideological beliefs that want to distract away from actual material concerns that a majority of people face. — Maw
it should be intuitive enough to most of us how it is possible to enforce such conscription in bigotry and sexism, all it takes is persistent shaming and humiliation of those who violate the norm. — Gary M Washburn
It is not just a matter of cost. Since capital has become mobile and fluid, an ‘organized labor’ has become outmoded, attached to immobile ‘real economy,’ and cumbersome commodity. Also, there has been a permanent tendency to accelerate consumerism and develop various techniques for the production of suitable subjectivities. The success of identity politics is the vital effect of neoliberal capitalism’s productivity. Moreover, identity politics has become a ubiquitous and flexible tool for framing public opinion agendas.A good point among others is made by Weinstein (starting at 17:52) that under Clinton the left's traditional voting block, organized labor, was replaced as it made some quite expensive economic demands. And it replace was with identity politics was cheaper, or that you could get people with very little relying on identity politics. I think Weinstein's insight is great to answer why identity politics, rights of minorities (sexual or racial) have become the focus rather than the working class in general. — ssu
It is probably impossible to find logic and common sense reasoning behind the contemporary ‘culture war’ or ‘cancel culture.’ Likely, their primary drives are the reciprocal process of neoliberal deterritorialization and reterritorialization, followed by further mobilization and utilization.I've now started to think that the whole "culture war" with it's "identity politics" is really a way to divide Americans and have the voters fight each other than to unite in the oppose status quo and face the real problems in the country . — ssu
A good point among others is made by Weinstein (starting at 17:52) that under Clinton the left's traditional voting block, organized labor, was replaced as it made some quite expensive economic demands. And it replace was with identity politics was cheaper, or that you could get people with very little relying on identity politics. I think Weinstein's insight is great to answer why identity politics, rights of minorities (sexual or racial) have become the focus rather than the working class in general. — ssu
Yep. Bigotry and sexism. The biggest problems in the Western World at the moment... And definitely the norm. — Kev
I don't think they convinced them to change their ideas as the working class was simply sidelined. The last traditional leftist politician was Bernie Sanders and he had these problems with the woke mob. And let's remind ourselves, it was Clinton who did NAFTA. Also to the disgust of many woke people, many of the classic blue collar workers went and voted for Trump. This is something seen also in Europe too. The "woke" left isn't so interested at the "old proletariat", the white man working at the factory. Thus part of this old guard of the labour movement has been disappointed with leftist parties promoting globalization and have then turned to right wing populist movements. Which of course turns them into the enemy for the woke mob. We also should remember the political activists and the actual ordinary people who vote for a party usually have not so much in common. And this is why I fail to see any "Marxism" in the woke activism as they seem far more interested in race and gender than in class in the way before. More fitting would be call this woke mob simply postmodernists, even if it doesn't sound so good. Postmodernism is very fitting, because there simply isn't a real agenda behind the ideology.Identity politics thrived in academia around the 70', I imagine. It's unclear, however, how academia so readily convinced labor to care more about identity politics than their rights and paychecks. — praxis
I agree. The modern social media has created the platform for cancel culture, but it's has just become what it is without anyone having an agenda for it to be this way. Yet it seems it's far easier for democrats to be "progressive" by endorsing the toppling of confederate statues than endorsing raises minimal pay. Guess which endorsement could be a problem with the corporate donors?It is probably impossible to find logic and common sense reasoning behind the contemporary ‘culture war’ or ‘cancel culture.’ — Number2018
The narrative any media follows is the what the audience wants to hear and what the owner wants to promote. Anything that challenges one or especially both is simply left out. You can observe that many news media that do classic investigative journalism do have the ability to make objective and high standard journalism and reporting, however in today's climate that is rare. So better for Fox News to report on "Joe Biden supporters" rioting in Portland.The media, as Weinstein says, tends to report news that aligns with whatever political narrative an outlet favors, and they tend to not report what doesn't align. I think what he means is that news outlets cater to the interests of their audience, because they're interested in maintaining and growing an audience in order to make money. — praxis
Has the academia convinced us of anything in politics?Identity politics thrived in academia around the 70', I imagine. It's unclear, however, how academia so readily convinced labor to care more about identity politics than their rights and paychecks. — praxis
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