It doesnt change their minds. — DingoJones
In fact, it could be argued that the silencing of folks has made it easier for people to be sucked in or sympathetic to those hate groups. — DingoJones
I think you get where I'm going with that. But in short, I say yes. If it's hate speech, control it. I am under the impression that Germany has laws against certain kinds of speech - that they're ready willing and able to enforce. They of course have a reasonably clear model for what they're controlling and why. In the US ours is not quite so clear - but clear enough.I question the wisdom of fighting hate by silencing hate speech. — DingoJones
But "hate speech" can be whatever you don't like. That just leads to another kind of tyranny. — Bitter Crank
but I'd imagine that's particularly difficult to prevent in a culture that so strongly idolizes opposing the establishment. — zookeeper
I think the idea is that it helps prevent the spread of these harmful ideas. — darthbarracuda
How could it be argued thus? — darthbarracuda
:100:Combating racism is more important than making a small group (by which I mean the small group of censors, not the minority group) comfortable. — DingoJones
If you ban an idea, you also ban universal reaction to that idea, — Kenosha Kid
I'm more in agreement with opposition to censorship — Bitter Crank
I don't think "stopping the spread of harmful ideas" can really work — zookeeper
Why am I wrong? — DingoJones
I question the wisdom of fighting hate by silencing hate speech. This silencing includes banning, deplatforming, PC culture, cancel culture and all that stuff. — DingoJones
Is silencing hate speech the best tactic against hate? — DingoJones
Perhaps there is a conspiracy to divide the people, yet make the issues so stupid, so unimportant to the greater audience that it actually doesn't rock the boat. As you said, the true focus should be in income distribution and how we make our society better, not the nonsense of a perpetual culture war.What I really, really dislike about banning, deplatforming, PC culture, cancel culture, and so on is that it is too crude to be useful. Portraits of "white supremacists" have been drawn with nothing more subtle than paint rollers, where sharp pencils are in order. Who, and what, exactly, is a white supremacist? Or a transphobic? Will the real fascists please state your party platform? — Bitter Crank
As such, it needs to be fought. — tim wood
Perhaps there is a conspiracy to divide the people, yet make the issues so stupid, so unimportant to the greater audience that it actually doesn't rock the boat. As you said, the true focus should be in income distribution and how we make our society better, not the nonsense of a perpetual culture war. — ssu
That doesnt answer why Im wring about Daryl Davies way being more effective. You are just saying that most people dint do it that way. That doesnt mean its not the best way to do it. — DingoJones
Vast majority of people are sincere believers, very few are cynical grabbers of power. But many understand how "the game" works and that makes them to look to be "cynical". Westboro Church and Klu klux clan are extremes, while the average evangelical or religious person or the average person with bigoted views are different.These cancellers are not cynical grabbers of power but sincere believers. — DingoJones
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