My point is the arguments for God's existence do not have the power to convince anyone God exists - only Theists accept them. Why bother?So, your point is... ? — 3017amen
I've laid out numerous concepts and you've essentially folded under pressure. — 3017amen
You asked a bunch of irrelevant and poorly phrased questions, and you want to take the fact that I don’t give enough of a shit about you to engage with your nonsense to claim some kind of victory in a fight only you are having — Pfhorrest
My point is the arguments for God's existence do not have the power to convince anyone God exists - only Theists accept them. Why bother? — Relativist
What does that have to do with proofs of God's existence?Really? Why does America have 'In God we Trust" on their currency? Is that not a source or the tools used for the exchange of economic power? — 3017amen
What does that have to do with proofs of God's existence? — Relativist
They imply causation. — 3017amen
What is the problem with the arguments that attempt to prove God? — DoppyTheElv
You're overlooking the obvious. You said arguments for God's existence have no power to convince anyone God exists. Why then were the majority of citizens convinced enough to put " In God We Trust" on their currency? What about national anthems...etc. etc..etc.. — 3017amen
What is the problem with the arguments that attempt to prove God? — DoppyTheElv
Got it - you believe truth is established by majority vote. Setting aside that argumentum ad populum fallacy, this has absolutely nothing to do with the formal deductive proofs of God's existence (KCA, LCA, Argument from Objective Moral Values, Ontological argument). — Relativist
Aristotelian mechanics comes in for a lot of criticism, but it is actually quite brilliant. However, it is wrong. I was looking at a video earlier today that compared Aristotle, Copernicus, and Galileo on Motion. — Banno
And they aren't all that successful I suppose? :razz:The Thomist Five Ways are certainly based on Aristotelian mechanics; Aquinas had no alternative. More recent accounts attempted to reissue the Five Ways in a way consistent with more recent developments in physics. — Banno
God: theism or atheism?
Accept: atheism 1710 / 3226 (53.0%)
Accept: theism 427 / 3226 (13.2%)
Lean toward: atheism 426 / 3226 (13.2%)
Agnostic/undecided 227 / 3226 (7.0%)
Lean toward: theism 172 / 3226 (5.3%)
Reject both 55 / 3226 (1.7%)
Accept another alternative 52 / 3226 (1.6%)
The question is too unclear to answer 41 / 3226 (1.3%)
Accept an intermediate view 31 / 3226 (1.0%)
There is no fact of the matter 27 / 3226 (0.8%)
Skip 25 / 3226 (0.8%)
Other 16 / 3226 (0.5%)
Accept both 16 / 3226 (0.5%)
Insufficiently familiar with the issue 1 / 3226 (0.0%)
If those are the questions/concepts, correct me if I'm wrong, but you refused to attempt any explanation or possible answers to them. — 3017amen
For most ex-Catholic atheists, it seems, doubt began in grade school or early high school 'bible study' without or, for some, years before reading The Quinque viæ. Good parochial schooling (at least in America) has been a fairly effective inoculation against the catechistic disease. E.g. @Ciceronianus the White & @Frank Apisa can attest to that. Close study of Biblical history, as well as its scriptural contents, or Church history "wasn't such a good idea". Not only Aquinas, but Luther et al too, share a lot of the blame or praise.↪180 Proof I wonder how many atheists began their doubt with the Brothers teaching them the Five Ways? Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea. — Banno
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