because “I am deathly afraid of ending up alone”. — MadWorld1
What stays on top is right, good and the truth.The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity.
I loathe modern society and everything it entails. — madworld
I want to get paid well so that I can attract and provide for some girl I’ll fall in love with, as well as to be able to provide for the kids I would want us to have. In other words, I want to make money as to not be lonely. I suppose my sense of loneliness manifests in an urge for romantic love. — MadWorld1
I’m afraid that the question "what is really natural?" is beyond the scope of my intellectual capabilities, so I won’t even try it. That’s why I asked for books that could convince me to think differently. At the moment I’m just seeing the world through the values I figure to be right, what to me feels instinctively true, and through that lens the modern way of life isn’t natural; multiculturalism isn’t natural, (excessive) individualism isn’t natural, genderless society isn’t natural, our sedentary lifestyles aren’t natural and so on. — MadWorld1
The social needs are an invention of culture or at least lose their weight with time. — Heiko
The thing you may then ask in this forum are if it is a bad thing that you do not care and basically care a sh*t about everything as long as you get your steak on sundays as that really is something existential. — Heiko
To lose firm ground for once! To float! To err! To be mad! - that was part of the paradise and debauchery of former ages, whereas our bliss is like that of the shipwrecked man who has climbed ashore and is standing with both feet on the firm old earth - marvelling because it does not bob up and down.
To lose firm ground for once! To float! To err! To be mad! - that was part of the paradise and debauchery of former ages, whereas our bliss is like that of the shipwrecked man who has climbed ashore and is standing with both feet on the firm old earth - marvelling because it does not bob up and down.
I wan't to stand on firm ground — MadWorld1
I don't believe that everyone is doomed to feel in that way, it's not part of the human experience. I feel like we're going post-human. — MadWorld1
That's an interesting thought. But what would the end-goal be in such a world? To become all-powerful? I don't want to mimic nature, I want to be enclosed by it and a part of it. I want to live the human experience. I'm aware that it sounds vague, but I really like the to put it like that; it emphasizes that, at least for me, we're not really human in this modern world - we're alien. — MadWorld1
True. We could be talking about different things. You seem to be implying that mass-suicide by gassing is unnatural, as if because humans do something that other animals don't do that makes it unnatural.Is mass-suicide by gassing natural? It could be that we are talking about different things and merely using the same word. — MadWorld1
True. We could be talking about different things. You seem to be implying that mass-suicide by gassing is unnatural, as if because humans do something that other animals don't do that makes it unnatural. — Harry Hindu
Again, you would be singling out humans for no good reason other than you believe that humans are somehow different from other species in having unique behaviors that define it as a species. — Harry Hindu
One of the central anarcho-primitivist claims (embodied in the very name!) is that anthropological and paleontological evidence suggests that hunter-gatherer societies generally lacked imposed hierarchical structure and that individuals (even children) were free to act as they wished. Selfish or self-important behavior and attitudes were dealt with by the tribe shunning individuals who manifested such traits. — Janus
Let me clarify: I'm saying that, in my view, what's natural can't be anything and everything humanity do. — MadWorld1
What scientific theory states that philosophy and mass-suicide are unnatural?I'm singling out humans because I am human. But yes, I definitely believe - I find it proven beyond reasonable doubt using science and normal categorization - that humans have unique behaviors that define us as a species. One example would be that we're the only animal doing philosophy on the internet. — MadWorld1
How is the statement that modern civilization is unnatural falsifiable? It seems to me that we are simply categorizing the world. It's just that your categorization isn't consistent because it is subjective, and it is subjective because you think humans are special because you're human.This is my worry with your statement that modern society is natural: it seems non-falsifiable. You're not actually describing the world, you're simply describing relationships between words. You're making, using Kantian terminology, an analytical statement. I'm trying to describe the world. — MadWorld1
Then what is natural cant be anything and everything any other animal does. — Harry Hindu
What scientific theory states that philosophy and mass-suicide are unnatural?
Other animals don't have unique behaviors that define them as a species? Are all of these behaviors unnatural?
https://www.science101.com/bizarre-animal-behaviors-prove-nature-metal/ — Harry Hindu
How is the statement that modern civilization is unnatural falsifiable? It seems to me that we are simply categorizing the world. It's just that your categorization isn't consistent because it is subjective, and it is subjective because you think humans are special because you're human. — Harry Hindu
Sure, I've never claimed to objectively know what's natural - quite on the contrary. I thought that was you're position? — MadWorld1
If you actually think you're saying something objective about the real world, then give me a hypothetical, an actual change in the world whereas you're sentence would be falsified without redefining your terms. — MadWorld1
No. That was my argument - that humans have unique behaviors, but then I also showed that other animals do to, and that was a link that I tried to show in that humans really aren't different than other animals in that each species has unique behaviors that define it as a species. Chimps building rockets to space would be unnatural in that their biology doesn't allow for those types of behaviors. So "unnatural" would actually mean "impossible" or "imaginary".I don't know, and I never said that. I'm saying that humans have unique behaviors that define us as a species. You seemed to be doubting that. In my view the behaviors listed are natural in a way that sharply contrasts to, say, using a rocket to go to space. If chimpanzees started doing that I would feel the same way. — MadWorld1
So saying that humans and other animals possess unique behaviors that define them as a species isn't saying anything about the world? If the processes that created humans and all other animals is natural, and the things that animals do is natural, and humans are animals, then what use is the word, "unnatural"?No, seriously, you're not saying anything about the world. You said exactly that "Modern civilization is natural given that humans themselves are natural outcomes of natural processes.". Go through it step by step; you've defined humans as natural outcomes of natural processes, and then stated that very relationship. — MadWorld1
No. That was my argument - that humans have unique behaviors, but then I also showed that other animals do to, and that was a link that I tried to show in that humans really aren't different than other animals in that each species has unique behaviors that define it as a species. — Harry Hindu
Again, you would be singling out humans for no good reason other than you believe that humans are somehow different from other species in having unique behaviors that define it as a species. — Harry Hindu
So saying that humans and other animals possess unique behaviors that define them as a species isn't saying anything about the world? — Harry Hindu
That is my point - that your application of the term "unnatural" is inconsistent with observations made of other animals. — Harry Hindu
"Natural" and "unnatural" are just words, but words need to refer to consistent and non-contradictory things and relationships for them to mean anything or to be useful. We could use any terms that you like, as long as the terms are applied consistently. That is my point - that your application of the term "unnatural" is inconsistent with observations made of other animals. What is the relationship between humans and the world - natural or unnatural? — Harry Hindu
Chimps building rockets to space would be unnatural in that their biology doesn't allow for those types of behaviors. So "unnatural" would actually mean "impossible" or "imaginary". — Harry Hindu
If the processes that created humans and all other animals is natural, and the things that animals do is natural, and humans are animals, then what use is the word, "unnatural"? — Harry Hindu
If we discovered aliens that also have large brains and opposable thumbs and they also had instances of mass-suicide and practiced philosophy, would you then agree that those things are natural - as in natural behaviors given our biology? — Harry Hindu
I like the thinking that it lacked "imposed" hierarchical structure, because of course there's also innate hierarchies that are perfectly natural. — MadWorld1
I also fully agree that obvious or excessive selfish behavior would be shunned, which is kinda funny given that most of us in modern society are taught to be like that.
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