Should we be "sensitive" enough to realize when someone doesn't "want" a helping hand and let them end it? — Noble Dust
people should be more acquainted and comfortable with suicide. It shouldn't be this "other". — darthbarracuda
What can be done to normalize it? — Anthony Kennedy
Why 'should' they? — Isaac
Because over a million people attempt suicide every year, and countless more think about it every day. — darthbarracuda
Some people kill themselves for bad reasons, and they ought to be offered helped if possible. At the same time, other people kill themselves for completely rational reasons, and so helping them doesn't make any sense. — darthbarracuda
But it's not your place to interfere with someone's destiny. — darthbarracuda
Ideally there would be ways to opting out that aren't so makeshift and clandestine. Just like how there should be ways of having abortions without coat hangers. — darthbarracuda
Well you're free to ignore whatever you please. — darthbarracuda
What are "bad reasons" for suicide, versus "rational reasons"? — Noble Dust
"Opting out" being a metonymy for suicide? Or no? Correct me if I'm wrong. — Noble Dust
I'm wondering where you're getting all the moral imperatives from. — Isaac
I'm wondering where you're getting all the moral imperatives from. — Isaac
The same place anyone else gets moral imperatives from, their own reasoning. — darthbarracuda
In other words, are they an amateur, or a master? — darthbarracuda
If someone finds their life to be "useless", — Anthony Kennedy
it'd be nice to live in a world where people freely discussed how much they hate life without repercussions — darthbarracuda
other people kill themselves for completely rational reasons — darthbarracuda
Suicide is totally self-centred just as the phrase I quote above indicates. And necessarily, a self-centred view cannot reach a use, a purpose, a meaning, or a reason to live. — unenlightened
Suicide is threatening to the established order of things. God, it'd be nice to live in a world where people freely discussed how much they hate life without repercussions, — darthbarracuda
Well to be sure, both feeling that one's life is useless and attempting suicide are pretty shitty. You should reach out a helping hand to those who might need it, but also give someone the dignity to determine their fate as they see fit. — darthbarracuda
What are "bad reasons" for suicide, versus "rational reasons"? — Noble Dust
Suicide is totally self-centred just as the phrase I quote above indicates. And necessarily, a self-centred view cannot reach a use, a purpose, a meaning, or a reason to live. — unenlightened
This is bothersome to me, not only as a clinician, but because enabling suicidal behavior as "speech" according to you ought to be a thing. — Anaxagoras
I think its just as self centred to force a person to suffer through life just because other people aren’t comfortable with losing them. — DingoJones
What does that matter? A lack of frequency alone doesn't justify ignoring the instances if it happening. — DingoJones
This is non-sequitur to both the posts you’ve responded to. — DingoJones
the specific instance of forcing someone to suffer because you are not comfortable with their death or suicide is just as selfish. — DingoJones
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