180, Tim, jorndoe and others have yet to make their case — 3017amen
I'm confused — 3017amen
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST — Frank Apisa
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I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST (that the existence of gods is impossible);
— Frank Apisa
Really? No reason to suspect?
— tim wood
Yes, absolutely no reason whatever.
Do you have any reasons to suspect gods CANNOT exist? — Frank Apisa
When I ask them questions that, say, relate to existentialism, metaphysics and phenomenology, they seem to be at a loss. — 3017amen
Make what case? Waiting for you to make yours. But — jorndoe
question. And still pending are your answers to quite a few questions almost all asking for you to explain some of your word salads. You need not reply; I'm out of the 3017amen business. That's because you're incoherent. — tim wood
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I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST (that the existence of gods is impossible);
— Frank Apisa
Really? No reason to suspect?
— tim wood
Yes, absolutely no reason whatever.
Do you have any reasons to suspect gods CANNOT exist?
— Frank Apisa
Sure. They do not seem to have any conceivable possible place - even as they are defined . Now. Those are reasons. And pretty good reasons. — tim wood
Now you're being incoherent. You said:I get it. You blindly guess that there are no gods... — Frank Apisa
. I provide a reason. So much for your understanding and use of language.absolutely no reason whatever. — Frank Apisa
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I get it. You blindly guess that there are no gods...
— Frank Apisa
Now you're being incoherent. You said:
absolutely no reason whatever.
— Frank Apisa
. I provide a reason. So much for your understanding and use of language.
I have in front of me a cup of coffee. Is God in there? Only if he is capable of concealing himself from every test - and I'll take that as a no. Is he in any cup of coffee? Hmm, seems not, Cup of tea? Glass of beer or wine? In anything? Not in anything? You get the idea.
But he might, you claim! Can't disprove, you argue! Well, yes, you can. By every test, no God. And the tests these days are uniquely thorough. You're in the position of a man relying on magic. Or who insists there are actual cookies in a cookie jar that never has, never will, and most importantly cannot by definition contain cookies.
But you can have all the God you want in belief and idea, and the more powerful for it. Why stuck on paltry existence? In any case, the burden shifts to you.
And if you rely on your notions, then all the other possibilities, including those I listed above, "exist" equally. Even infinite gods. How do you sort that out?
Just for clarity. I'm not arguing against supreme beings. At the moment I'm alone in my room. Is there a supreme being in my room? You bet, me! (Until my cat comes back.) But there is nothing supernatural about me or my being, and my existence is provable (yes?).
You're God-in-the-gaps. But the gaps are all too small. Just believe instead, that's where you'll find your only real God. — tim wood
Okay, Tim, your blind guesses on this issue are very important to you. T — Frank Apisa
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Okay, Tim, your blind guesses on this issue are very important to you. T
— Frank Apisa
You say there is "absolutely" no reason. I give you reason. You call that "a blind guess." That, Mr. Apisa, is crazy-making. I don't like crazy-making. In my experience crazy-making, being a species of lying, is at best mean-spirited and serves a hidden agenda. What is your agenda? — tim wood
What is it, exactly, that you imagine (a) reason to be?You did not give me a reason. — Frank Apisa
Are you suggesting [...] — 3017amen
There isn't that much we know exhaustively, and making stuff up won't do. — jorndoe
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You did not give me a reason.
— Frank Apisa
What is it, exactly, that you imagine (a) reason to be? — tim wood
I gave you reason, and reason to suspect. Not a blind guess. But you deny the plain English of the thing. I ask you, then, what exactly you imagine a reason to be. And you evade like a Republican running for office. What do you think (a) reason is? That's the question.Yes, absolutely no reason whatever. — "Frank
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↪Frank Apisa What you said was "absolutely no reason to suspect." See: here:
Yes, absolutely no reason whatever.
— "Frank
I gave you reason, and reason to suspect. Not a blind guess. But you deny the plain English of the thing. I ask you, then, what exactly you imagine a reason to be. And you evade like a Republican running for office. What do you think (a) reason is? That's the question. — tim wood
You have not given me a reason. You have typed some English words...and claim they are a reason. — Frank Apisa
All materially existing things have existential predicates.
God has no existential predicates.
God is not a materially existing thing. — tim wood
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↪Frank Apisa
— tim wood
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↪Frank Apisa
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All materially existing things have existential predicates.
God has no existential predicates.
God is not a materially existing thing. — tim wood
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↪3017amen Amen, you do not know wtf you're talking about. No need to reply, because I won't. — tim wood
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