Remember, I said morality is made by humans, for humans. Babies are humans. — DingoJones
and even then they are living creatures what would make us be moral to humans and not them? — Augustusea
..because morality is made by humans, for humans. Its not made by living creatures for living creatures, its not made by humans for living creatures. Its a human thing, for humans. — DingoJones
Veganism means one does not wish to use animal products at all, but not all animal products require the killing and hurting of animals. So by what you've said it seems you're not primarily interested in veganism — Tzeentch
Would you consider it immoral for a hunter to kill an old, sickly member of a herd of animals in order for a young one to survive? This happens commonly to avoid healthy wildlife from starving. Let us also assume the hunter is skilled, and is able to ensure a painless death. — Tzeentch
why? who said so? and why? — Augustusea
would skinning a cat live be moral in this case? would torturing any none human be moral? — Augustusea
and what makes us different from animals other then our moral judgement (which not all of us even have) — Augustusea
When we grow up into racist grandpas — fdrake
There's no good reasons to believe that plants suffer. Or bacteria. I dunno about insects. So the argument doesn't apply to them since killing them does not inflict harm. — fdrake
Science is inconclusive on whether plants feel pain. — Tzeentch
Could you elaborate? — Tzeentch
It seems the problem lies with the meat industry then, and not necessarily eating meat.
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