I hold that beauty is, broadly speaking, the experience of apprehending something that seems, in some way or another, right. — Pfhorrest
I hold that beauty is, broadly speaking, the experience of apprehending something that seems, in some way or another, right. This rightness may be either of a descriptive or a prescriptive nature: the feeling of apprehending some truth, or of apprehending some good. — Pfhorrest
[facilitation of] the successful comprehension of [that] complexity by way of [the] underlying simplicity. — Pfhorrest
So is it rightness of representation, or of things represented, or either or both? Or is it the pleasure in or anticipation of a representation or a thing? You seem to have it all of those ways. Which needn't be a problem, except the vagueness seems wedded to abstractness (whereby truth and goodness are relatively "concrete"?!), so it's a problem for me. Is it a necessity for you? — bongo fury
I do mean it all of those ways, as I went on to elaborate. It could be "right" as in true, or "right" as in good, in many different senses of "true" and "good". Just any kind of feeling of agreement, a "yeah!" kind of feeling -- which could be "yeah, that's a thing I want!" or "yeah, that's how things are!", etc. — Pfhorrest
I hold that beauty is, broadly speaking, the experience of apprehending something that seems, in some way or another,rightbeautiful. Thisrightnessbeauty may be either of a descriptive or a prescriptive nature: the feeling of apprehending some truth, or of apprehending some good. — Pfhorrest
Art about our ancestors is more dear to us than art about our descendants (if that even exists) — Gregory
In my opinion, if any manner of taste was truly to be called objectively superior, it would be a broader taste, capable of comprehending complex phenomena and so appreciating "high art", while still remaining capable of finding simple phenomena interesting and so appreciating "low art". — Pfhorrest
Beauty is not the same exact thing as “rightness” though. [...] It’s more like beauty is a quality that we project on things — Pfhorrest
You are a really good writer — Gregory
It would be one way to make sense of the OP's first sentence, where the operative word is (as also later on) "seems". — bongo fury
"Objectively superior" suggests something almost ethical or moral. To have broad taste appears to be almost morally (or at least vaguely philosophically) better than to have narrowly "low" taste; it hints at the "universal"; to have broad taste would seem to mean having universal taste. — Noble Dust
Indeed, I do think ethics interfaces with art here (although NB that “beauty” and “good art“ are not synonyms on my account; nor “high art” and “good art”, nor “high art” and the “nobler purposes” to which art can be put that I mentioned earlier). — Pfhorrest
Circling back again to rhetoric, as the archetypical medium, for illustration: an argument that successfully persuades someone to believe something false or to intend something bad is thereby objectively bad rhetoric, even if the speaker meant his words to do so and so would subjectively consider his rhetoric good for its success, because by objective standards false things are not to be believed and bad things are not to be intended and so rhetoric is not meant, by those standards, to persuade people to do so, and in succeeding at doing what it is not meant to do, that rhetoric thereby fails at doing what it is meant to do, and is thereby bad rhetoric. — Pfhorrest
What I mean is that if there really is such a thing as a real, objective aesthetic standard, then, by nature, the standard is ethical. — Noble Dust
I think it's fine to compare rhetoric and art and notice similarities in delivery and interpretation of the two, but I don't think it's correct to lump them together (which I'm not sure if you're doing or not, but I'm not assuming you are. Just making a remark here). — Noble Dust
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