If the concern is solely whether the choice increases the chances of the Democrats winning the presidency--and I assume that was ultimately the sole concern--the choice is probably a good one, compared to others.

she ain't as funny as Elon Musk, honestly thats my consideration for US politics, who is more funny

Someone to appease the donor class and someone for the media to faun over. That’s all the Dems need. Now they can run the campaign on “making history” while covering for both their garbage careers.

Agreed.

Her selection as VP strikes me as long term strategy by the Democratic elite to forcibly insert her as new face(ade) of the progressive wing of the democratic party, purely through her identity as black woman rather than actual political positions, at the expense of actual progressive women and men of color, in order to retain control of the technocratic/corporatist wing of the party. Despite lackluster support during her presidential run, which ended, laughably, prior to the primary election, she'll be well positioned for a presidential run and retain power for the technocrats in 2024 or 2028 through 2036 at the latest potentially thwarting actual progressive/left-wing women of color (or anyone else for that matter).

Pretty obvious that Kamala is Black since the Right is already trying to do birtherism on her

at least its been amusing to see the rightwingers twisting themselves into pretzels trying to figure out how to attack Harris- she's a cop but also she's anti-cop, she's not really black but also she was only selected as VP because she's black, etc. Poor hapless morons can't even get their stories straight.

:up:

If someone in the Democratic party predicted that and chose Harris because of that, it would be pretty bloody smart.

I mean, I know what you mean, but I tend to think that trying to anticipate and forestall whatever disingenuous BS Trump and the GOP is going to argue is a pointless endeavor. Its not like there was any VP selection that Biden could make that Trump or Republican voters were going to support, so why concern yourself with pre-empting their bad faith arguments at all? Nobody who was susceptible to such arguments was ever going to vote for Biden in the first place, such arguments are only ever intended to preach to the choir.

(although as it happens, I suspect that this was very explicitly part of their deliberation process and a major selling-point in favor of Harris- i.e. hard to label her as some "defund the police" leftist given her record as prosecutor/DA, and as always Dems are overeager to prove their commitment to "law and order" politics/rhetoric, i.e. the prison/industrial complex and modern police/incarceratory state)

Oh right. As if every other US presidential ticket of white males has not been rooted in "identity politics" — 180 Proof

According to Joe Biden, all blacks think alike, and the only way to get you to vote for him is to choose a black person as VP.

The problem is seeing someone with a different skin color and thinking that there is no way that that person could possibly share any interests that you have, or can't be representative of you, because they have a different skin color.

If blacks want whites to see themselves in George Floyd, then blacks need to see themselves in the twice as many unarmed whites that get shot by police and protest when that happens too. The inconsistency of BLM is clearly indicative of their racism and privilege they posses.

If blacks want whites to see themselves in George Floyd, then blacks need to see themselves in the twice as many unarmed whites that get shot by police and protest when that happens too. — Harry Hindu

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634878

The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average.

It's misleading to look at raw numbers and not proportionality to population if you want to determine if there's racial bias.

Also, to pre-empt one possible "excuse":

As such, the results of this study provide evidence that there is racial bias in police shootings that is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates, and is related to either: 1) racial bias in police encountering suspects/civilians, or 2) racial bias by police in the use of force upon encountering suspects/civilians.

If blacks want whites to see themselves in George Floyd, then blacks need to see themselves in the twice as many unarmed whites that get shot by police and protest when that happens too. The inconsistency of BLM is clearly indicative of their racism and privilege they posses. — Harry Hindu

Twice as many? It should be about eight-and-a-half times as many. What exactly are you trying to say?

The US left is a cesspool of Identity politics and interfering with individual freedom.
Kamala Harris fits right in. Its notable that she is considered "black" when she has an Indian mother.
This highlights the absurdity of "race" as a descriptor and the purely political reason for identifying as a particular race. The left loves its racism and sexism.

Kamala! She’s black, she’s definitely not a socialist, and best of all... she’s not Hilary! Hooray... :roll:

Kamala is black. Yes. Does she have “soul”. No. (Very sorry to say).

Looks like the DNC is screwing the “real Left” (whatever that is... or was) gently with a chainsaw...

Biden: “Yea, thanks for the help kids and Bernie Bros... nice protesting there. Real passion, very believable. Now, if y’all don’t mind, let the grownups, the real pros take over from here... ”

I was trying to swallow the prospect of Biden as president, because Trump. But dammit, it’s only getting harder. I’m starting to wretch again. You can’t polish a turd or swallow it... but you can choose one to steer the USS TITANIC to greater glory. Vote for Bile/Hairball 2020!

I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other! So because you are lukewarm— neither hot nor cold— I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!
-Rev 3:16

(I’m voting for an independent candidate: Matt Foley. At least then we can be guaranteed some gov’t cheese while living in a van down by the river.)

Thanks @fishfry for the in-depth look at Harris’s dubious career. :up:

Her selection as VP strikes me as long term strategy by the Democratic elite to forcibly insert her as new face(ade) of the progressive wing of the democratic party, purely through her identity as black woman rather than actual political positions, at the expense of actual progressive women and men of color, in order to retain control of the technocratic/corporatist wing of the party. Despite lackluster support during her presidential run, which ended, laughably, prior to the primary election, she'll be well positioned for a presidential run and retain power for the technocrats in 2024 or 2028 through 2036 at the latest potentially thwarting actual progressive/left-wing women of color (or anyone else for that matter). — Maw

:up: Yep. (Unfortunately).

When someone on the far left starts to wonder if there’s an upside to a Chump/Pants second term... not good. (“When’s the next train for Canada leaving? What’d ya mean Canada closed its borders? The USA would never do tha... oh, wait. Never mind...”).

I voted good pick. I think her and Corey Booker are similar, Corey perhaps a bit more articulate. Nevertheless, I like that she's a woman of mixed race who can effectively speak to dumper-trumper's racism, misogyny and other character flaws.

Being a moderate independent, this is the closest we'll get to center (I am partial to folks like John Kaisick and other moderate Republican's). I think it's a winning formula. If nothing else, it's a protest vote just to get the guy out ( much like what some did when voting for dumper-trumper viz Hillary).

You get a choice of Trump/Pence or Biden/Harris. You may not like Trump/Pence or Biden/Harris, but that's your choice. Period. And if you live in the US, you do not get to not choose. You can not vote, but it's a fool's thought that not voting is to not choose.

Thanks fishfry for the in-depth look at Harris’s dubious career. — 0 thru 9

Maybe look into the details of those stories? Sometimes the facts matter.

Is Harris perfect? Is Jesus on the ballot? Are you on the ballot?

And just for the heck of it, can anyone name a real Republican anywhere in any campaigns? It seems to me that in this election the Democrats have all the truth, reality, facts, and even character, judgment and good will on their side. There is no Republican side - no Republicans because they're all under the Democrat umbrella now - and on the other just a lot of slithering about to see what they can bite.

It's time for the US right to be revealed for all the evil it's done and the evil it is. And it's not either-or as the right often tries to portray. There's a world of choice, and the right reject almost all of it. If I could have a wish, it would be that the US right would find its Jim Jones and have their own Jonestown. That might not make the world a perfect place, but certainly a better one.

Is Harris perfect? Is Jesus on the ballot? Are you on the ballot? — tim wood

It seems to me that in this election the Democrats have all the truth, reality, facts, and even character, judgment and good will on their side. — tim wood

If I could have a wish, it would be that the US right would find its Jim Jones and have their own Jonestown. — tim wood

Umm, what? :chin: Just calling it like I see it. Not going to make excuses for anybody’s actions, whatever “side” they are on. Though left-leaning, I appreciate the Republicans who call out Trump (it’s a full time job) for his activities. I would criticize Bernie when it was warranted... if he were even running, lol.

how I long for sweet death

If you elect Cuomo he'll probs grant it. Decent election pitch.

:cry: :lol:

how I long for sweet death — Maw

Komm, süßer Tod

Sounds like a great political pick! You couldn't have the Clinton and Obama people unhappy, could you? — ssu

Remember, the DNC would rather lose with the centrists than let the Bernie brigade take over the party. That's their mission. Hence Biden. And now hence Kamala. The GOP are making a mistake trying to call her a leftist. If only! Friend of the little guy? Don't get me started on the African-American single mom with two kids and two jobs who Kamala laughed about putting in jail because her kid was truant. Kamala got hammered from the left for that.

But the main point is to watch what the DNC did in 2016 and again in 2020. The DNC is at war with their own left. The GOP is a secondary target. If Biden wins, fine. If Biden loses, at least the Biden/Clinton/Obama wing of the party is in control for the next four years. That is the lens through which one processes the Kamala appointment.

And Bernie's on board. Don't know if his followers will be, but Bernie himself is meek as a newborn kitten lately. The DNC gave AOC 60 seconds of speaking time. LOL. That's what the DNC thinks of the new radical left.

Pretty obvious that Kamala is Black since the Right is already trying to do birtherism on her — Maw

Hi Maw, I just want to make one point here which is that the GOP so far is missing the mark on their attacks on Kamala. There's so much substantive stuff but Trump's calling her names and GOPs claim she's a leftist and so forth. I wouldn't put much stock in that. I hate Kamala but I am capable of noticing that the GOP attacks are wildly off the mark so far. And calling her names is cheap and low, it's not 2016 anymore and Trump's no longer funny and refreshing.

It's a matter of political fact that Kamala did very poorly with African-Americans during the primaries. Sank like a stone.

I do distinguish between her personal racial identity, which I don't care about; and her political racial identity, which changes depending on her audience. I don't care if you call her black or not. The question is, does she resonate with American blacks? And the answer is no. That's not an opinion, that was demonstrated in the primaries.

A Rasmussen poll came out today. 1/3 of likely black voters say they are LESS likely to vote Dem as a result of Kamala's selection as veep. Guess black folk can spot a phony, what do you think?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/harris-divides-blacks-one-third-diss-pick-now-less-likely-to-vote-for-biden

But is she as phony as Trump? Less likely to vote for Biden means no votes or a vote for Trump?

But is she as phony as Trump? — Benkei

That's not my metric. Trump just got a peace deal today. Biden falsely claimed it was his and the Dems are upset. Remember that in 2016 and 2020 it's Trump who is the peace candidate. That's important to me and informs my vote. For what it's worth I live in California so my vote doesn't matter no matter what I do. The Clinton/Obama neoliberal wing of the party loves war. That was and is a great point of departure of my own political sensibilities from that of the Democratic party and even contemporary liberals. Joe Biden has a fifty year track record of supporting every war that came along. And the Dems and liberals have embraced the national security state (as long as it's framing Trump); which they used to instinctively distrust. My views didn't change but the Democrats did.

Your metric, as an American, is that two other countries signed a peace treaty formalising how their relation has been for years? Maybe you should get your priorities straight and look closer to home.

? Maybe you should get your priorities straight and look closer to home. — Benkei

As I took pains to indicate, I vote in California so that there is no danger that my political opinions could have any effect on the presidential race. I thought that might perhaps forestall anyone from jumping in only to say that they hold an opinion different than mine. I see I was mistaken. That said, my priorities are straight. It's the Dems and the left who went insane.

I'm not saying I have a different opinion from you, I'm saying you have a stupid metric.