I’m not on board with that. — NOS4A2

Not on board with any inquiry into truth. I guess if the Donald says it, that's all we need to know, yes?

These two were the most unhinged.

https://joebiden.com/

Not on board with any inquiry into truth. I guess if the Donald says it, that's all we need to know, yes?

An “inquiry into truth”? Is that the euphemism we’re using these days?

So the first section says very little specifically until a little over halfway down - vague appeals to bailouts and/or stimulus packages - followed by a reference to a 15 dollar minimum wage, the PRO Act, the Paycheck Fairness Act, reversing corporate tax cuts, making corporations pay their "fair share," and speeding up the "10 year investments" he has already announced. In the Muir interview he mentioned raising taxes on salaries on those making over 400k.


I didn't see a link for "Today, Biden is releasing details on the first part of his agenda, with a separate factsheet on his strategy for manufacturing and innovation to ensure the future is made in America, in all of America, by American workers," however.


Which do you have in mind that strike you as unappealing and/or damaging?

Wow. I did 1 minute 27 seconds on the first and 57 seconds on the 2nd. That blonde was particularly cringe inducing. No wonder I never watch those things.

An “inquiry into truth”? Is that the euphemism we’re using these days? — NOS4A2

There is no evidence here you know what truth is, and certainly you have no respect for it, not knowing what it is. So, yes, for you a euphemism.

They should take a leaf out of our book over the pond works well for us in the UK.

The first one I heard "I speak to you as a mother, a former prostitute..."

I'm a mysogynist apparently but it made her speech a lot funnier.

The identity politics, the government bailouts, the tax-raising, the “diversity and inclusion” (racism), the free tuition, the “enforcement mechanism” to achieve net-zero emissions...mostly the overall inclination towards increasing political power at the expense of social power strike me as particularity disconcerting.

Do you not view racism as a factor in Trump's base?

The RNC - in which the GOP adopts Führerprinzip as their (only) organizing stricture. After, of course, opening with the chant of "12 more years".

Do you not view racism as a factor in Trump's base?

I do not.

Do you not view racism as a factor in Trump's base?

I do not. — NOS4A2

If you want to see, it helps to open you eyes.

If you want to play that game, how about Richard Spencer?

The Democrat tent is large, and to be sure, vermin can crawl in. Read his wiki page; he is evidently a piece of work. Perhaps, being a rat, he has a finer sense of respect for the integrity of the timbers of the ship-at-sea than you do - even a rat has a sense of its own welfare.

It seems that even the lowest forms of life eventually turn on Trump. There may be hope for you yet, NOS.

He was the alt-right poster boy for the media in the previous election, and was used to great effect to convince pliant minds of guilt by association. I wager he finally figured out that Trump wasn’t the great racist white hope the media made him out to be.

Personally I don’t judge a candidate by who supports them.

Spencer is obviously trolling ffs.

So in your view, Spencer is a valid indicator of racism in Biden's base but Stephen Miller is not an indicator of racism in Trump's? Do you not view 'alt right' as racist or as Trump supporters or do you not think there are racists that support Trump?

No, I do not think one man’s views can be said to be shared by any majority of people. I do not follow or care much about alr-right figures, but I think Trump has largely lost their support according to some reports (example). Spenser supported Yang, now Biden. David Duke endorsed Gabbard. I’m sure some support Trump. I do think there are racists who support every candidate.

David Duke back in Charlottesville:

My understanding was that in the case of Miller, we have someone more than externally endorsing someone but present within Trump's circle.

So in this case, do you feel this is insignificant/not worth considering, a difference not worth considering, or otherwise find other parallels in Dem or left candidates?

You do not think there are reasons to suppose a higher support of Trump among alt right and racists or a significant difference of support?

Do you find the alt right element to be negligible now, negligible before any supposed "turn" or both?

Why do we need to look at who is supporting him? His own words and behavior have projected racist thoughts for decades. Here's one source on the matter, there are many more:

The Atlantic

My understanding was that in the case of Miller, we have someone more than externally endorsing someone but present within Trump's circle.

So in this case, do you feel this is insignificant/not worth considering, a difference not worth considering, or otherwise find other parallels in Dem or left candidates?

You do not think there are reasons to suppose a higher support of Trump among alt right and racists or a significant difference of support?

Do you find the alt right element to be negligible now, negligible before any supposed "turn" or both?

Miller is definitely a hardliner on immigration, but I’m not sure that makes him a racist. However, I am welcome to learning about any racist statements he has made or policies he has written.

I am not concerned with who racists support or what they think. Identity politics, however, seems to be something Biden wants to institutionalize at the highest levels of government. That is a clear path to racism.

I was never concerned about the alt-right. I was more concerned about the free press they and other such groups were given.

Miller is definitely a hardliner on immigration, but I’m not sure that makes him a racist. — NOS4A2

His brand of hard does. I recall reading that that caging children was his idea (I'll accept correction on this), and that they, presumably including him, were surprised that anyone noticed or made an issue of it(!!!).

I was more concerned about the free press they and other such groups were given. — NOS4A2

I would say I shared this concern, but have been under the understanding that there were indications Miller, and others, likely Bannon, had exacerbated/exploited identity politics as you appear concerned with.


In any case, what strikes me as odd is the concern with racism qua "the path of Biden's identity politics" but not a concern with any of the indications of racism we already have with varying circles of Trump supporters.

I was never concerned about the alt-right. I was more concerned about the free press they and other such groups were given. — NOS4A2

What does that mean? If it wasn't for the press pointing out some of dumper-trumper's misgivings (either lies about someone or something, or say's 'that's the first I heard of that, thank you for bringing it too my attention), not to mention his much needed advisers (if you want to phrase it as such) then
he'd be down even more so in the poles.

Remember, he's the guy who said ingest bleach, and then by April everything (COVID) will go away. If the press didn't hound him, who knows what he would try to tell folks. Dude, the guy's way underqualified to say the least... .

Have you checked the national debt lately? Hardly an old-school GOP ideology! Just like his casino's and fake university, I worry he's gonna run the country into the ground. Remember, it was dumper-trumper who said " I'm the king of debt'! And seemed to be proud of it. Go figure. What a fake. LOL






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I would say I shared this concern, but have been under the understanding that there were indications Miller, and others, likely Bannon, had exacerbated/exploited identity politics as you appear concerned with.


In any case, what strikes me as odd is the concern with racism qua "the path of Biden's identity politics" but not a concern with any of the indications of racism we already have with varying circles of Trump supporters.

I would agree that the American identity has been exploited, but that identity is welcome to all races and creeds.

As for racism in varying circles of Trump supporters, I cannot find any connection, ideological or otherwise, to Trump’s agenda, and I think that’s the reason many of the racist activist types are disillusioned with Trump. In the end they’ve been duped by the Dems and their media wing.

His brand of hard does. I recall reading that that caging children was his idea (I'll accept correction on this), and that they, presumably including him, were surprised that anyone noticed or made an issue of it(!!!).

The facilities with “cages” were set up during Obama’s term. Rather it’s the “zero tolerance” policy that led to family separation, because it sent illegals to jail while being prosecuted, thereby separating them from their children (we don’t send children to jail with their parents).