That it toxifies everything is all the more reason to be clear about our terms and not cede ground to them. More thought, not less. — StreetlightX
I don't think you could ask for a better two word propaganda tool. The costs associated with the analytic imprecision actually show up as gains in transmissibility and scope. It's even very very accurate for a slogan. — fdrake
Probably, the different groups that promote the "white privilege" concept as the urgent object of the public debate have different intentions and aspirations. Likely, some of them strive for positive social change (by the way, it is the very arguable concept itself). Others want to bring the maximum possible change, to disbalance the homeostasis of the existing social system, and then manage and control the spectrum of accelerating processes. — Number2018
You say we are trying to accomplish the same thing but I disagree, I think what I want is worlds apart from most people who want to talk about white privilege. — Judaka
stop feeding the trolls. — Pro Hominem
Again, present your notion of privilege so that I might actually be uncomfortable with how your using it.Again, either present your notion of racism and explain why what I have written is racist, or rescind the accusation. — Banno
I think your views of racism are outdated, or simply wrong, you have informed yourself about the individual using your prejudices against a racial group. You specifically noted the race, sexual orientation and sexual identity of individuals and used your feelings about how you think people of that race, sexual orientation and sexual identity usually behave to discriminate against the individual. There is no other justification for your comments, only that. — Judaka
You mean like having to deal with a lack of fathers in the home and high rate of black-on-black crime?Put simply, it is what white people do not have to deal with on a daily basis that non whites do. It is the injury because one is non white that white people avoid suffering because they are not. — creativesoul
StreetlightX and Banno are horrible, they're racist... — Judaka
Asked twice, you have failed to present your notion of racism and explain why what I have written is racist. Nor have you rescinded the accusation. — Banno
you have informed yourself about the individual using your prejudices against a racial group. You specifically noted the race, sexual orientation and sexual identity of individuals and used your feelings about how you think people of that race, sexual orientation and sexual identity usually behave to discriminate against the individual. There is no other justification for your comments, only that. — Judaka
Or you might deny the obvious, or claim it unimportant, belittle those affected, distance yourself from responsibility, twist it so that it becomes about you, bury it in arguments about other things, put up more walls and barriers so that you don't feel uncomfortable. — Banno
Of the things you have presented from a clinical(?) setting, it seems that the preponderance at least indicate that there may be detriment to the use of the term in a general setting, but that it can be constructive with a more sophisticated audience or a more sophisticated presentation. Would you say that I have characterized that accurately? — Pro Hominem
I share your concern that it may be nothing more than a distraction. I have phrased this by saying I think it lacks utility to foster change, and that it misses the point. I think we are saying most of the same things there, but I invite you to distinguish — Pro Hominem
I think it's time to go join the riot. — Banno
Besides the whole oppressor/victim narrative, what differences are there between the way you discriminate against people based on their whiteness and how others may discriminate against others based on their blackness? — Judaka
We frequently use group identifiers to summarise a range of disparate opinion and even in doing so ignore outliers and minority dissonance. — Isaac
I've flicked back over this thread, too.
I re-read the denials.
I re-read white middle class cis hetro males begging that the word "privilege" not be used because it upsets them. — Banno
If I can demonstrate racism towards "privileged" racial groups, would you counter that they are privileged? — Judaka
I think it is appropriate to point out that your definition of racism, which necessitates oppression is not one that I agree with and I have never used the word with that definition in mind. — Judaka
the quote says that posters here who formulated perfectly coherent criticism of the white privilege framing are just white middle class cis hetro males who beg that the word "privilege" not be used because it upsets them. — Judaka
I noted the lack of presence of a black voice... — Banno
In context, what have you decided? — fdrake
Does that seem like a fair complaint to you? — ChatteringMonkey
The point is that words are being used in a way that is not typical so as to elicit the correct moral response. I'd rather have an accurate description and let people make up their own minds, that is all. — ChatteringMonkey
To add to that, it's also offending to constantly be told what it is you are offended about, even after explicitly stating that that is not the case.... as if your self-reported experience doesn't matter because you have to be some self-deluding idiot that can only be saying these things to justify his abject moral character. — ChatteringMonkey
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