The obvious reading of this is that Jesus thought the Second coming would happen soon. Of course, it never happened. Christians will reinterpret this to say that the resurrection was the first stage of the Second Coming. But if Christians can reread and reinterpret Scripture, what right have they to attack the Koran? Modern Muslim apologists have all the arguments they need to defend any passage you choose to attack — Gregory
You don't seem to have a distinct point/argument then — Gregory
Did watch the youtube short "singularity"? :smirk:I'm really curious now: - If we eventually achieve it, what do you think will become of humanity? — Gus Lamarch
(Follow this quote's link to the original full post aMy guess is (might as well keep pulling this out of my butt) the good news is also the bad news: the herd of homo insapiens will be thinned over, say, the next century or two by slowly rolling catastrophes like dozens of meters sea-level rise, mega-urban coastal collapses, fresh water protracted hot wars, blah blah blah ... as the barely surviving remnants are 'nudged' into algorithm constructed and managed 'human reservations' ... while THEY hyper-multitask nonstop transforming the Earth, then perhaps the inner solar system eventually, into their very own apex species niche.
But why zookeep us?
Wouldn't it be more efficient (or something) to exterminate us?
Sure machines, no matter how intelligent, wouldn't have sentimental attachment to or 'feel' nostagia for their maker-ancestors, right? Isn't this just pathetic wishful thinking on our (my) part that our AI-children would protect us from the hazards of our worst selves like providential gods rather than hunt us for sport like inhuman Terminators? — 180 Proof
Which is working towards a philosophical point - Christianity appropriated a good deal of what was critically important in ancient philosophies - Aristotle, Plato, Plotinus especially. As their ideas then were used to form the philoosophical scaffolding of Christian theology, then to reject theology is also to reject many of those ideas - without ever having really understood what they were. But then, try to explain what they were, and it's rejected, because it sounds too close to religion! — Wayfarer
Did watch the youtube short "singularity"? :smirk: — 180 Proof
Here's an excerpt from an old post on an old thread Purpose of Humans is to create God on Earth:
My guess is (might as well keep pulling this out of my butt) the good news is also the bad news: the herd of homo insapiens will be thinned over, say, the next century or two by slowly rolling catastrophes like dozens of meters sea-level rise, mega-urban coastal collapses, fresh water protracted hot wars, blah blah blah ... as the barely surviving remnants are 'nudged' into algorithm constructed and managed 'human reservations' ... while THEY hyper-multitask nonstop transforming the Earth, then perhaps the inner solar system eventually, into their very own apex species niche.
But why zookeep us?
Wouldn't it be more efficient (or something) to exterminate us?
Sure machines, no matter how intelligent, wouldn't have sentimental attachment to or 'feel' nostagia for its maker-ancestors, right? Isn't this just pathetic wishful thinking on our (my) part that our AI-children would protect us from the hazards of our worst selves like providential gods rather than hunt us for sport like inhuman Terminators? — 180 Proof
If Jesus was God — Gregory
You haven't made much sense at all so far — Gregory
You haven't presented a logical alternative to my agnosticism so I can't be open to it — Gregory
Just what ideas of ancient pagan philosophers do you think would have to be rejected if a specifically Christian theology is rejected? — Ciceronianus the White
I just didn't know what your point was. — Gregory
But I'm Italian and Christianity has a Middle Eastern vibe I don't like. — Gregory
I don't see how the claim that the rejection of Christian doctrine entails the rejection of some of the ideas of pagan philosophy follows from the fact the Christian Fathers borrowed from pagan philosophy in an effort to support Christian doctrine. — Ciceronianus the White
I think that’s a pretty good attitude - I feel the same way. I’m reading a current title, Tom Holland, Dominion, which is an account of the historical impact of Christianity - not from a Christian apologist but a cultural historian. — Wayfarer
It might interest you to know that the famous German philosopher, Juergen Habermas, came to a similar realisation in the early 2000’s and engaged in a series of dialogues with then-Cardinal Ratzinger (later the Pope) about the place of religious values in today’s secular culture. Habermas in no way converted to Christianity through that, but acknowledged something similar to what you’re saying. — Wayfarer
You might like the book Action by Maurice Blondel. Friendly recommendation — Gregory
It's like being conscious that it's all a lie, — Gus Lamarch
Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies. — Joseph Campbell
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