“We must now understand that our own well-being can be achieved only through the well-being of the entire natural world around us.” ~ Thomas Berry — xraymike79
In trust you preserved your right to good single-malt Scotch. — tim wood
... even the worst is something which can be thought and, because it falls within reflection, does not confront me as something absolutely alien and different. I imagine that such a thought is probably more comforting than any solace, whereas solace itself is desolate, since it is always attended by its own untruth. — Adorno
And it should be noted that the religious cannot even enter into this conversation, they do not live in the real world). — JerseyFlight
Do you think it is likely that the vast majority of people will be able to participate in this conversation anyway, regardless of religion? — Janus
If a general belief in religion yields a more harmonious, stable, integrated and better-intentioned populace, then where is the harm in such beliefs, as long as they are not manipulated by the plutocrats? — Janus
I think it is naive to imagine that all, or even most, or even many, of us are cut out to be intellectuals. — Janus
The other thing is that it is arguable that most people wish to be led rather than to lead. With leadership (or at least decent leadership) comes great responsibility. — Janus
Because religion is based on the denial of reality. Let me repeat: religion is based on the denial of reality. One cannot rightly discuss the potential end of the world with people who believe there is a magical world they will be carried to after. One cannot discuss the death of a planet whose vitality they believe lies in the hands of God. These are not adult conversations, these are confusions. — JerseyFlight
I find myself saying, "How many different ways can I say humanity is fucked?" — xraymike79
There are people doing what they can, and other people grabbing what they can.
but governments need to step up and level with the public. — xraymike79
If a general belief in religion yields a more harmonious, stable, integrated and better-intentioned populace, then where is the harm in such beliefs, as long as they are not manipulated by the plutocrats? — Janus
I should simply be able to say to a person like yourself, that you know better than to ask a question like this. Seriously, come on. Religion keeps people enslaved to power structures. You already know this. There are many many other problems with the innocent notion of "general belief." Now I suspect you are talking in the context of life at the end of the world? If that is the case, then your question is not a religious one, but a philosophical one, it has to do with hedonism, which I mentioned earlier. It is a serious question and one that must be addressed. — JerseyFlight
I would say that religion does not inherently consist in enslavement to power structures. — Janus
a successful life. — fdrake
I take it that successful adaptation to being killed is to die? I'm working on it. — unenlightened
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