I voted yes because — praxis
would be great. — Pfhorrest
This is an easy trap for the vast majority of people — Gus Lamarch
I think also there's a mischaraterisation about what pleasure actually is. Seems to me the Cyrenaic (note: I've never actually read any Cyrenaic work) sees pleasure as something far more valuable or positive, or 'pleasurable' than it actually is. A kind of pollyannaism about pleasure. Take the example above, where I've written "lack of nice mouth sensations". You might argue here that "ok, the lack of nice mouth sensations is a kind of suffering we are motivated by and strive away from. But those nice mouth sensations we experience (due to striving away from it's lack, and not as the Cyreanic says; because we positively strived towards it) are actually intrinsically good."
But I'm not so sure. If the taste sensation is actually positively pleasurable (over and above a cessation of suffering, or a kind of 'flow' distraction from suffering) and therefore good, shouldn't you want to constantly sense it? I like the taste of orange juice, but I wouldn't want to constantly experience the taste. Or take bodily sensations. I know for sure if given the choice I would want to never experience bodily suffering/pains again, but would I want to constantly experience bodily pleasures? Would I want to constantly orgasm? And if not, what does that say about how pleasurable the actual sensation is? People who orgasm like 100 times a day live in hell it seems. Note that pleasure is also extremely short lived. An orgasm is like 3 seconds, one only gets 'lost in the music' for a single song, at best. Food only tastes good until it's swallowed. A heroin rush fades pretty quickly into a sort of secure numbness, which eventually becomes sickness. — dukkha
I personally see the human experience as so much more meaningful than seeking pleasure and avoiding pain. Far too binary for me and there is something to be said for the endeavour of struggling against the harsh universe for your joy. — MSC
It really is an easy trap. My prey has yet to take the bait though. — MSC
Hm, interesting. May I know who they prey is? — Gus Lamarch
Gee it's me, the evil antinatalist.. — schopenhauer1
I sense trolling — schopenhauer1
When this experiment was performed on humans, they tended to fall in love with the experimenter. — MSC
It's stupid to admire a fictional character, but the character Chmeee and his sense of duty, loyalty, and integrity resonate strongly with me. If there is a "good life" to live, those qualities are essential. — RogueAI
Free pleasure is worthless pleasure, just like farcebook and twatter bring you. It does nothing for your life. If there is no reason for the pleasure then it is senseless to have it. — Sir2u
Pleasure is not the end goal. Equilibrium is. Most of us might not be aware of this revelation -- but upon examination, this is truly what peace is about. Equilibrium after a painful experience is what our mind wants, not necessarily pleasure. We are happiest when we have equilibrium, which pleasure cannot provide. — Caldwell
Your thought experiment is based on septal stimulation and there’s no evidence that it’s as addictive as you now suggest.
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