Which camp do you roughly fall into and what are your arguments for it? — khaled
Aristotle introduces matter and form, in the Physics, to account for changes in the natural world, where he is particularly interested in explaining how substances come into existence even though, as he maintains, there is no generation ex nihilo, that is that nothing comes from nothing. — Form vs. Matter - SEP
This prompted some "All mind" theories like the copenhagen interpretation and panpsychism which argue that mind is either the fundamental building block instead of matter or is required for the existence of matter (more accurately for collapsing the wave function). — khaled
Void. (re: Democritus ......... D. Deutsch)Is reality fundamentally made up of mind, matter, or both? — khaled
Atomism - pre-Hobbes, Gassendi, La Mettrie, d'Holbach, Feuerbach "materialism" - includes 'void' as well as 'atoms'. — 180 Proof
I've always interpreted the combinatorial aspect of 'Swirling & Swerving-Atoms-In/(Of?)-Void' as information, or the 'physical measure' of the information content of whatever (i.e. comes-to-be, or continues-to-be, or ceases-to-be) happens. — 180 Proof
Methodological, not metaphysical, materialism no doubt is the worst, least true, intellectual commitment made in human cultural history, except, of course, for all the others tried so far in the last three plus millennia vis-à-vis progressively disclosing how the world (which includes subjects-in-the-world ... as opposed to shibboleth "rational subjects" or "transcendental egos" or "immaterial souls" etc) works. — 180 Proof
After quantum mechanics many scientists now do not know what to make of mind. — khaled
This is not accurate — SophistiCat
The Copenhagen interpretation does not suggest that the wavefunction collapses when the paper is eventually looked at. — Kenosha Kid
the more conscious the matter is — Pop
The uncollapsed "result" is measured by a measuring system which then prints it to the paper at whichpoint we see it. The collapse happens somewhere in this process. — khaled
What makes you think it happens at the paper? — khaled
The copenhagen interpretation sets the collapse of the wave function to be at the point we can actually see it collapse, aka when we observe it. — khaled
It also says when an observation is made. So what it seems to stipulate is that consciousness is type of measurement. Measurements are only setup and used by conscious beings. How is a measurement taken without the idea of measurement?It states that it occurs when a measurement is taken. It does not stipulate a requirement on consciousness. The process of measurement is considered mechanical, not mental. — Kenosha Kid
It also says when an observation is made. So what it seems to stipulate is that consciousness is type of measurement. Measurements are only setup and used by conscious beings. How is a measurement taken without the idea of measurement? — Harry Hindu
As far as I know that is exactly what it suggests. The uncollapsed "result" is measured by a measuring system — khaled
I agree. That is the basis of my Enformationism worldview. This is not traditional Panpsychism though, but the cutting-edge concept of Information as the essence of Energy. It's a position held by several notable scientists, but it's still not a mainstream notion. Most people are only familiar with Shannon's narrow definition of Information, as equivalent to Entropy. But physicists have expanded that notion into a causal role in reality. That's what I call Enformy : the power to enform, to create. :smile:Information is absolutely fundamental. — Pop
Precisely! But, since Causal Information, or as I call it Enformy, includes both cause & effect, it is responsible for both Mind and Matter. Matter is the result of energy relationships (e.g. E=MC^2; hot/cold), while Mind is the awareness of those relationships (e.g. meaning). So, in answer to the OP, Information is "dualistic" in nature : both Matter and Mind, both Energy and Entropy. But it's much more than that. Information is Matter & Mind & Life, and everything else in the world. :smile:With that said, I think that information is fundamental, and information is the relationship betweencause and effect. — Harry Hindu
Information is completely mental — Gregory
At least panpsychism has the existence of qualia assumed just unkown how it combines — khaled
You can doubt that others exist, but you would be wrong. — Gregory
I experience people are certainly as I experience myself. — Gregory
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