the responses to my discussion have been very hostile — Jack Cummins
Maybe Philosophy will always only describe the structure of reality without actually participating — Noble Dust
However, there is a danger of philosophy becoming too detached from the world. — Jack Cummins
so I don't see why the esoteric philosophies should not be incorporated but obviously if people don't want this to happen it doesn't have to. — Jack Cummins
Yes. After I "lost faith" in my "back to the bible" fundamentalist upbringing, I was initially intrigued with the general concept of Theosophy (god wisdom). But, upon closer examination, I found that underneath the rational veneer was that same old Magic & Mysticism of most tribal, traditional, and shamanistic religions. The proof of the pudding in all those Spiritual notions is to demonstrate some divine miracles or psychic powers over the physical world. But all I found was smoke & mirrors. As for "higher realms and ascended masters", don't tell me fantasy fiction, show me the money.While I am not sure that all esoteric systems can be taken literally, . . . Does anyone else apart from me see this an area worth treading and discussing. — Jack Cummins
My own studies have touched on Steiner, Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Maurice Nicoll, but have settled on Krishnamurti as the clearest and most consistent voice. — unenlightened
I agree with this, although I think it important not to try to define what is going on behind the scenes, because we cannot know for certain, just what is going on and what, or for why, our existing in this world we find ourselves in has come to pass.While I am not sure that all esoteric systems can be taken literally, I think they do offer an interesting alternative and I keep an open mind towards the idea of spirit guides and the possibility of ascended Masters, who include Jesus, the Buddha and Saint Germain.
I agree, but is there not a duty for people who get the message to apply it in their lives to some extent? Or more broadly, as we as intelligent beings with agency, can alter the world (ecosystem). Surely some wisdom ought to be applied in the corridors of power, or in the direction of humanity. Or otherwise, surely, we are doomed.I don't really read K. any more, because the message is so very simple and all the complications are my own.
I found it useful as an entry point into some of the ideas of Hinduism and Eastern religions in general. Along with a means by which to break free, within my own mind, from the rigid conditioning of the Western narrative. Something very constructive.In answer to the question of whether I I found it fulfilling I think that it enabled me to hold onto my own sanity and I might have otherwise become unwell mentally. Nowadays, I enjoy reading esoteric literature but with an open but questioning spirit.
The tradition of belief in direct experience of the divine — Jack Cummins
but is there not a duty for people who get the message to apply it in their lives to some extent? — Punshhh
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