No I feel their emotions. It's human — Gregory
Yes, we can now define Reality in terms of invisible intangible immaterial mental Information. Some physicists now define "reality" in terms of fundamental Fields, from which Energy emerges, and in turn Matter is formed. Matter is the stuff that we know via our physical senses. But the Energy from which matter is made, exists as immaterial potential until it converts into matter. For example, in space, invisible energy (photons) are whizzing past astronauts from every direction. Yet they are unseen until they directly impact the retina, which converts photons into electrons and thence into neural chemistry. Which we then perceive (interpret) as Reality. But Energy -- the essence of matter -- can only be conceived in imagination : Ideality.How, exactly, would any definition of reality that included anything else but matter read? At what point and how does the real either become or be other than real? — tim wood
The Copenhagen wavefunction is a mathematical encoding of what we know. If what we know about the past changes, that change is encoded in the past, not at the moment of discovering the change. — Kenosha Kid
WHAT you look at is explicable all three ways — god must be atheist
either made up fundamentally of mind or matter but this is a false dichotomy. — Francis
believe the universe is fundamentally made up of matter/energy but that the mind is an achievable property of matter under the right conditions. I chose other. — Francis
The Copenhagen wavefunction is a mathematical encoding of what we know. If what we know about the past changes, that change is encoded in the past, not at the moment of discovering the change. — Kenosha Kid
That is what I mean when I said that it makes the mind necessary for matter to be definite — khaled
So without an observation the electron (matter) doesn't exist as a particle (definite). — khaled
I don't know what you're trying to show with this phrase. How is the human body, including the brain, not mechanical? How do non-mechanical things interact with mechanical things? How is a non-mechanical observation made of a mechanical measurement?the purely mechanical measurement — Kenosha Kid
And how do we know that the difference in states is a characteristic of quantum processes rather a difference in measuring devices being used to measure some state?A system begins in state A. An automatic spin measurement is made and printed a minute later that says it is in state B. A conscious measurement is a minute after that showing it to be in state A. A minute after that, someone reads the sheet of paper. — Kenosha Kid
Wave functions have been collapsing since before the earth was even formed. — Francis
As described above, the measurement collapses the wavefunction — Kenosha Kid
Knowing the outcome of a measurement allows us to remove any inconsistent information in the wavefunction as of the time of measurement. — Kenosha Kid
is also rigged up to a printer and we later discover that radioactive decay had been established before the cat was dead — Kenosha Kid
If there's no such output, we do not know this so cannot assume the system to be in a pure alive or dead state before we open the box and check. — Kenosha Kid
in space, invisible energy (photons) are whizzing past — Gnomon
Is that photons or hypothetical photons. For the rest, ask yourself what that stuff in the ocean is. Go ahead and answer. What did you answer? Did you answer water, or seawater? And when the scientist sits down at his desk, what does he sit on?Those hypothetical invisible energy fields — Gnomon
Is the term "All" useless or meaningless? Is the term "Whole" too broad for understanding? "Information" originally referred to the meaningful contents of a Mind. Then Claude Shannon applied that term to the 1s & 0s that computers process in the form of containers that can mean anything the programmer wishes. Now physicists and cosmologists are using that same term to describe the immaterial mathematical values (ratios; relationships) that define our reality.Before life ever existed, who was being informed? These theories seem to make the term information so encompassing and broad that it becomes almost useless. — Francis
Actually, a Photon is a hypothetical particle. No one has ever seen or touched an elemental photon. Like Energy, we know that photons exist only by their effects on matter. We know photons by the sixth sense of Reason, not by the five senses of matter. :smile:Is that photons or hypothetical photons. — tim wood
See my reply to Francis above. :nerd:Given the convertibility of matter and energy, one supposes that fundamental reality comprises both. As to mind, potential, information, if they exist, they exist as matter-(energy) - as ideas - which is not to say that's how they're perceived. The idea of potential being in any sense itself actual - well, you have to show me. — tim wood
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