Never heard of him. Seems he is a Lacanian, which raises a few flags for my unquiet soul. I liked Freud a lot at some point, but it proved a bit too esoteric and fact-free for my taste. He was clearly onto something though. Then I landed on Bateson, a brilliant mind (English-speaking all right) who made much more sense to me, and I never went into Lacan. My sense is that Freud 'goes on a limb' (produces much non-empirical theory, as pointed by Popper again), and that Lacan goes on that limb even further...Have you any interest in Žižek? — Banno
Apples and oranges - yeah, both are fruit - should not be compared, or one reduced to the other, if intellectual clarity in philosophizing via avoiding nonsense, etc, is what (I assume) you're after. — 180 Proof
The idea that any of these ecologies are defined by certain essences or uniform techniques or whathaveyou is just stupid: the kind of thing you tell an idiot child to get them to shut up while the adults are working. — StreetlightX
I do not deny Analytical Philosophers the aesthetic right to play their analytical games, but what I do deny is the presumption of elitism and relevance. — JerseyFlight
Relevance to what? — Janus
My claim is that this is not a subjective consideration. — JerseyFlight
It's for us, though - students of philosophy - to dialectically apply e.g. conceptual analysis and discursive hermeneutics to knowledge practices and/or our experiences. That is how we translate 'idealist' methods into 'materialist' critiques (and vice versa), turning Hegel on his head so to speak (à la Feuerbach or Peirce or Adorno). Don't blame the (master's) tools or the tool-makers for not showing us (the precariat) how to use them. — 180 Proof
Currently this thread is no longer discussing philosophy. It is an opinion pissing contest. Several people have remarked that you do not have the evidence to attribute the entirety of analytic philosophy as useless to society. — Philosophim
Existence, the concrete and contingent life we live on this infinitesimal rock. — JerseyFlight
Says the dude whose only 'evidence' has been some second hand quotes and word garble — StreetlightX
this presumption bears the burden of its own proof, — JerseyFlight
In general it is other fields, not philosophy, that have more direct social relevance to general human life. — Janus
I don't know, personally, if the entirety of analytic philosophy is useless to society - probably not, but a lot of it is. — BitconnectCarlos
I feel bad sometimes for studying philosophy. — BitconnectCarlos
I feel bad sometimes for studying philosophy. Other fields are focusing on actual problems like how to stop COVID or how to help countries with serious economic problems while philosophers shut them selves off from the outside world to go play in their own heads or provide extensive commentary on a long dead philosopher that no one cares to read and often requires a second language to fully understand. It sometimes makes talking with them about contemporary issues extremely frustrating as facts and evidence clash their a priori presuppositions. Every once in a while though the old armchair philosopher will come down from his ivory tower and become strong proponents for a cause, if not lead the charge themselves like Peter Singer. — BitconnectCarlos
To a person who cares about such things, analytic philosophy might provide some use to them as a tool. — Philosophim
For example, I can easily see myself in a political argument ending up talking about speech-acts and other philosophy of language stuff. — Pfhorrest
The premiss of this thread, as I pointed out earlier, is to treat philosophy like a competition between teams; like it was a game of football. The argument itself trivialises philosophy. — Banno
I think part of the reason [we don't really see system-builders anymore] is just because there's so much knowledge out there that I just don't see how anyone can put forth something like that today — BitconnectCarlos
Interesting, could you explain please? Maybe cite an example? — BitconnectCarlos
my political principles are grounded in my normative ethical principles, which in turn depend on my meta-ethical framework, including moral semantics, which invokes philosophy of language concepts such as speech-acts — Pfhorrest
The lack of systematization... is the thing that I found most lacking in my own (analytic) philosophical education, and the thing that spurred me to start my project. — Pfhorrest
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