Some (of my) insights:Any insight on this would be extremely beneficial to me and I would also really enjoy just plain out references or things to read that hit on these subjects as well. — Anthony Kennedy
1. We often say that those who commit suicide are selfish for taking themselves out of others' lives and I wonder if sometimes we are the selfish ones for wanting them to continue living for us? — Anthony Kennedy
2. If someone has decided to make the rational decision to commit suicide, does people trying to deter them from their rationality take away from their person? — Anthony Kennedy
Saying that someone has to remain in your life otherwise they are selfish implies that you believe others have a duty to suffer much to prevent relatively little suffering on your part which is the epitome of selfishness as far as I'm concerned. — khaled
I think it is a useless criticism, often meanspirited. I do think that suicide may be an act of rage, which isn't precisely selfish, but it is aimed at others or the universe or God. But most likely the person was in incredible emotional (and/or physical) pain and this was them wanting that to stop. Perhaps drugs or alcohol added to an impulsive decision. But again to call that selfishness doesn't add much for me.1. We often say that those who commit suicide are selfish for taking themselves out of others' lives and I wonder if sometimes we are the selfish ones for wanting them to continue living for us? — Anthony Kennedy
I guess I have felt that if a person wants to die, they will manage. I think that there is little downside and much positive side to trying to intervene with words or actions. If you can stop them, they probably were not sure. They might be high or impulsive or in an extremely painful state that need not go on for years even. Another chance seems to have little downside. And in some sense they 'did it in front of you' and failed to have an effective method.2. If someone has decided to make the rational decision to commit suicide, does people trying to deter them from their rationality take away from their person? — Anthony Kennedy
We often say that those who commit suicide are selfish for taking themselves out of others' lives and I wonder if sometimes we are the selfish ones for wanting them to continue living for us? — Anthony Kennedy
If someone has decided to make the rational decision to commit suicide, does people trying to deter them from their rationality take away from their person? — Anthony Kennedy
I think it is a useless criticism, often meanspirited. I do think that suicide may be an act of rage, which isn't precisely selfish, but it is aimed at others or the universe or God. — Coben
2. If someone has decided to make the rational decision to commit suicide, does people trying to deter them from their rationality take away from their person? — Anthony Kennedy
Yes (euthanasia). But if you know it to be a irrational decision, driven by treatable depression for instance, different story. — Kenosha Kid
There are selfish suicides, like throwing yourself in front of a bus or train, or blowing your brains out in your kitchen for your partner to find, Hunter S. Thompson stylee. But that aside, wanting someone to suffer to make yourself feel better is undoubtedly, even psychopathically selfish. — Kenosha Kid
All people who want to euthanize themselves do that for ultimately one reason, and one reason only: to avoid and end suffering. — Zn0n
This is not only not irrational, it is the most rational thing you could possibly do, in fact everything you do is to stave off any type of suffering, be it hunger, appetite, boredom, the need to urinate or defecate, etc., etc, but in contrast to suicide always only temporary. — Zn0n
What do you think will happen to the numbers of train-suicides if everyone wouldn't be deliberately deprived of their right to end their suffering. F.e. if you had a pill by you at all times that would immediately euthanize you in a painless and quick way, how many people would instead jump in front of trains? — Zn0n
Useless and mean-spirited? For pointing out that it's absolutely wrong on every level to claim to have a right to others life even if they suffer horribly and want to end it? — Zn0n
1. We often say that those who commit suicide are selfish for taking themselves out of others' lives and I wonder if sometimes we are the selfish ones for wanting them to continue living for us? — Anthony Kennedy
2. If someone has decided to make the rational decision to commit suicide, does people trying to deter them from their rationality take away from their person? — Anthony Kennedy
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