Deism is sometimes called a "religious philosophy or worldview", but it has no dogma or rules. Each person is free to determine how a created world impacts her life. One of those personal meanings is a Cosmic reason for moral behavior : to align oneself with the Tao, so to speak. :smile:I didn’t have the chance hearing of a religion (or religious doctrine) that doesn’t have rules to be obeyed by believers/its followers. — KerimF
I didn’t have the chance hearing of a religion (or religious doctrine) that doesn’t have rules to be obeyed by believers/its followers. — KerimF
If 'God' given free will is truly free, and unconditionally meant, as what we take 'free' to be, then any other attempts of the religion to have rules would be contradictory and wouldn't apply. — PoeticUniverse
; however, I might add that a Person cannot be fundamental, for any system has to have parts—which would have to be more fundamental. — PoeticUniverse
Another question would be are you wishing to hold a position that it is possible to have a belief in god(s) without a subsequent religion being involved? — Mayor of Simpleton
Thelema — unenlightened
I am afraid — KerimF
You can't strictly follow nothing without following something, even if that something is to strictly follow nothing. Interesting I suppose — Outlander
To put it another way, it looks as though you are asking a rhetorical question to which you think you have the answer already. Which is a recipe not for a discussion but for preaching. Preaching is not philosophy. — unenlightened
Sorry, do you mean talking about my experiences in life is preaching? — KerimF
By the way, do you know any heavenly rule to be obeyed (as in the army) that Jesus, in person, mentioned in his teachings? — KerimF
Have you had some experiences? Did you talk about them? — unenlightened
This is based on my personal observation by which I concluded that, by definition perhaps, real believers of a religion (or a religious doctrine) have no choice but obeying/observing a certain set of rules, said not of man. But to be sure that my conclusion is real (I don’t imagine it) I started this thread.I didn’t have the chance hearing of a religion (or religious doctrine) that doesn’t have rules to be obeyed by believers/its followers. — KerimF
when I join, for example, a Catholic forum, I have to focus, on my comments and topics, on the Catholic doctrine only without mentioning, for example, Jesus sayings/teachings; — KerimF
I personally didn't find any of such rules (on the Gospel I have; a Catholic Arabic Gospel, printed in 1967). — KerimF
Otherwise, if he loves his enemies (in this case, the enemies of the group/system to which he belongs), he commits a crime against his group/system. — KerimF
I am actually an independent person whose greatest real joy is living the unconditional free-will Love towards all others (even towards those who are made to play my enemies). — KerimF
So Jesus was fine with being a soldier. — Gregory
So at least self-defense is allowed. The over zealous Crusaders probably used this first to justify violence, and the one where Jesus said he has come to "bring violence" among families and nations — Gregory
...and the one where Jesus said he has come to "bring violence" among families and nations — Gregory
Is it possible to believe in god(s) without a religion or doctrine being involved? — Mayor of Simpleton
I personally have nothing against obeying the rules (civil, religious or political) imposed on the people among whom I live as long the rule doesn't contradict my unconditional free-will love/care towards all others; friends, strangers and enemies. — KerimF
I am a live example — KerimF
I personally doesn't trust any ruling system... — KerimF
Yes :)I take it you mean 'yes' — Mayor of Simpleton
So, have you replaced these established systems with one of your own or do you simply have no system whatsoever? — Mayor of Simpleton
As any ordinary person around the world has, I have, where I live, a ruling system (equivalent to Caesar). But, on the other hand, I didn't need serving (or just belonging to) any formal system by my own will. — KerimF
Are you speaking of religion or something else? — Mayor of Simpleton
Please tell me, if Jesus really meant by the word 'sword' that self-defence is allowed, why do you think his apostles and first disciples didn't use it to defend themselves while they were preaching later? — KerimF
To my reckoning, all religions share the same theme - there's a benevolent being looking out for us - we call this being god - and in direct conflict with such a being is an adversary - the devil. In all cases of such pairing of opposites, god is the one who brings order and the devil is the one who brings disorder, and disorder is a state when there are no rules. — TheMadFool
In short, if you're looking for a religion with lawlessness as part of its central doctrine, you don't need to try too hard. — TheMadFool
Jesus didn't impose any rules — KerimF
free-will — KerimF
if love is imposed by a law it cannot be true love — KerimF
Are all rules wrong or only some of them? — Valentinus
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