find common ground — Benj96
One can equally argue that you cannot with reason or logic as a principle, be atheist towards all gods. — Benj96
The crux. Amen. :up:It's true that people can and do make God so ill-defined that one cannot say that it exists or doesn't. But if the thing someone claims exists has no discerning properties, one can dismiss the claim without dismissing the thing itself. If your God is so ill-defined that it might be a teapot or the entire universe, the claim is meaningless and can be rejected on those grounds. — Kenosha Kid
Yes. Before the advent of the Big Bang theory, many philosophers and scientists assumed that the ever-changing physical universe itself actually eternal, and cyclical (steady state). But the BB theory implied that the knowable universe is temporal and conditional. Which means that the BB could be interpreted as a creation event : perhaps, something from nothing. However, in an attempt to avoid the special creation implication, some scientists have produced a new Eternal Inflationary Universe Theory. In that case, the physical universe is self-existent, and had no need for a creator --- just an ever-inflating balloon that never pops.The common ground would be that the All can be shown to have to be eternal. — PoeticUniverse
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